Chander Lear wrote:Dan wrote:He's only gone for a month so I think that speaks for itself.
Yeh, janaury transfer window
What about it?
Chander Lear wrote:Dan wrote:He's only gone for a month so I think that speaks for itself.
Yeh, janaury transfer window
steve-hymas wrote:It’s a good move for Alistair smith. It must have been soul destroying sitting on our bench for the last couple of years nearly .His confidence in his own ability must be at an all time low.I feel it will be good if he can get the game time under his belt and start a career for himself .Only regular football will he find his mojo.
Remember we have had 11 players that have struggled with confidence for the first 8 games .look at them now .
Good luck Alistair on your loan
kevin kents tasce wrote:steve-hymas wrote:It’s a good move for Alistair smith. It must have been soul destroying sitting on our bench for the last couple of years nearly .His confidence in his own ability must be at an all time low.I feel it will be good if he can get the game time under his belt and start a career for himself .Only regular football will he find his mojo.
Remember we have had 11 players that have struggled with confidence for the first 8 games .look at them now .
Good luck Alistair on your loan
The reason his confidence is probably low is that he has been playing a level of football which is clearly beyond his ability. Pressing managers into playing kids who are not ready to perform at our level is not helping their development.
Hopefully he can do well at Altrincham and get a contract, because National League north is probably about his level imo.
MTFCMAD wrote:Soz Fergie...didnt know you was an expert football Scout.
steve-hymas wrote:It’s a good move for Alistair smith. It must have been soul destroying sitting on our bench for the last couple of years nearly .His confidence in his own ability must be at an all time low.I feel it will be good if he can get the game time under his belt and start a career for himself .Only regular football will he find his mojo.
Remember we have had 11 players that have struggled with confidence for the first 8 games .look at them now .
Good luck Alistair on your loan
steve-hymas wrote:You have picked that up Sedgwick .We are trying to get lads out at the highest level possible.
The club is showing a commitment to developing players by going Cat 3 which now encompasses from age 9-13 and a much bigger group of qualified coaches have come in to develop the lads .
All the YDP (youth development phase)13,14,15,16 play the same system so we can move the lads up and down ages depending on ability and progress.
We now play a lot younger lads in our under 18s.we have had an under 15 playing at 18s all season which is pushing him all the way .
We played Lincoln city yesterday at the RH and lost 4-3 in a very tight game and I’m sure we could have put a side out to win the game but that’s our philosophy now.
The standard of player has improved throughout the academy with much improved coaching and the younger ages playing other professional clubs week in week out .
I have been at every 1st team game this season and watched many youth games at all ages this season and know how tough it will be to make that step up .
The likes of coops etc are on the case now and I am confident we will achieve our goal of producing players.watch this space
Vice President wrote:Youngsters should only come through if they are good enough. I do not believe that Alistair Smith is good enough.
Personally, I have never been convinced that our academy will provide us with the quality that we can pick up from other academies higher up the pyramid. Charsley & Lapslie are good recent examples of youngsters that we can pick up for nothing that are much better than what we currently have.
Sinclair is an exception - he looks good and I would trust Nigel's judgement and handling in that regard.
Vice President wrote:Youngsters should only come through if they are good enough. I do not believe that Alistair Smith is good enough.
Personally, I have never been convinced that our academy will provide us with the quality that we can pick up from other academies higher up the pyramid. Charsley & Lapslie are good recent examples of youngsters that we can pick up for nothing that are much better than what we currently have.
Sinclair is an exception - he looks good and I would trust Nigel's judgement and handling in that regard.
MTFCMAD wrote:
Also one thing you need to remember here is that your comparing an 18 year old and a 19 year old with a 24 year old and 23 year old and arguing they are not at the same level.
It’s obvious that the products coming through the academy are slowly getting better. I’m sure SH said the academy’s self sufficient so we only really need to do is sit back and wait for the next Lawrence, Disley and leroys.
Dan wrote:Chander Lear wrote:Dan wrote:He's only gone for a month so I think that speaks for itself.
Yeh, janaury transfer window
What about it?
broomo wrote:i can guarantee the kids will get a chance under Clough, he's done it everywhere he's been and has already shown here he'll look to get them minutes in any games he can.
At Derby he gave a 16 year old Mark O'Brien his debut at CENTRE HALF, how many managers do that in a position where you need to be physically strong? OB played a dozen games in the Championship after making his debut, Nigel's view usually is, if you have the shirt and do a job, you keep the shirt.
He played Mason Bennett at 15, gave Will Hughes the central midfield role when he was still only 16, Jeff Hendrick at 17, but there were numerous others.
At Sheff Utd it was Louis Reed but he also gave Dominic Calvert Lewin his debut at 17.
At Burton before he left Reece Hutchinson, Ben Fox, Marcus Harness, (sold to Portsmouth for a million) Joe Sbarra and before them John Brayford.
He understands the whole club gets a lift when a good young prospect from the Academy is promoted and he understands it only takes a dozen or so good games before other clubs come sniffing.
I think he said he asked Cooper who the best player in the Academy was before putting Caine on the bench?
He'll do that as often as he can and he'll do it even more once we're safe. Sometimes as a reward for hard work but most of the time because he wants to find out as quickly as possible whether the kids can step up.
I said it as soon as he was linked, if he comes, the academy lads should be licking their lips and busting their balls to work hard.
They will be given an opportunity under Nigel, the rest is up to them.
He'll probably look to tighten the squad so that there's no more than 18 or 19 solid first team pro's and then supplement that with the lads from the youth team, he'll create the pathway that isn't there at the moment as there's 22 to 25 first team lads so even if one gets injured/suspended it's a squad member who fills in rather than the 18th on the bench being a 17 year old kid getting the matchday experience.
Captain Cunno wrote:A 14 year old playing for the under 18s looks promising.
He must be some player.
one f in mansfield wrote:Captain Cunno wrote:A 14 year old playing for the under 18s looks promising.
He must be some player.
My lad played for the Nottinghamshire schools team for 4 seasons from age 12 to 16 . Each season the team was mostly made up of lads who were big for their age , By the time my lad reached 16 there was only three lads who had played every season. Most of the others were early developers and when they stopped growing other lads could match their strength and they often seemed nothing special . A 14 year old playing with older lads will only benefit if he has talent to match his physique . My lad was average build for his age and was doing well until he discovered girls and beer .
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