oldweststander wrote:Hjeldefan wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
How many people do football clubs employ? Pretty sure that those who may lose their job should clubs go bust will think it has a pretty large level of importance.
Providing their mothers, fathers and family have not contracted Covid-19.
Half the problem is the attempt to protect the economy, the other half are those people who refuse to comply with restrictions, can you really see a football stadium being Covid-19 safe?
Hjeldefan wrote:oldweststander wrote:Hjeldefan wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
How many people do football clubs employ? Pretty sure that those who may lose their job should clubs go bust will think it has a pretty large level of importance.
Providing their mothers, fathers and family have not contracted Covid-19.
Half the problem is the attempt to protect the economy, the other half are those people who refuse to comply with restrictions, can you really see a football stadium being Covid-19 safe?
I totally understand your point, and its incredibly complicated. My own view is that it is incredibly hard to justify no fans when you are allowed to go to a pub, restaurant, cinema etc. A football stadium would (again, my opinion) be far safer than a pub.
chip63 wrote:How does everyone intend to get to the grounds?
Bus train tram etc.. City centre transport would not cope on a Saturday.
We need to think more of what happens outside of grounds before and after the games.
300 going to the cinema is totally different to thousands attending football.
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
Sparky
The government haven’t deemed it safe to return to league football grounds and have put the return on hold. Surely that is the point of this petition.
I can see the return to small non league grounds backfiring as fans who would normally attend league games flock to small games instead.
Big yella wrote:chip63 wrote:How does everyone intend to get to the grounds?
Bus train tram etc.. City centre transport would not cope on a Saturday.
We need to think more of what happens outside of grounds before and after the games.
300 going to the cinema is totally different to thousands attending football.
And how do you think 3,000 people (56.9% of capacity) are going to get to the indoor Royal Albert Hall that has been given the go ahead to reopen?
Big yella wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
Sparky
The government haven’t deemed it safe to return to league football grounds and have put the return on hold. Surely that is the point of this petition.
I can see the return to small non league grounds backfiring as fans who would normally attend league games flock to small games instead.
Yeah but it’s fine for your hero Bojo and his cronies to attend the Royal Albert Hall in their thousands. So it’s only us plebs that can’t be trusted is it?
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Big yella wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
Sparky
The government haven’t deemed it safe to return to league football grounds and have put the return on hold. Surely that is the point of this petition.
I can see the return to small non league grounds backfiring as fans who would normally attend league games flock to small games instead.
Yeah but it’s fine for your hero Bojo and his cronies to attend the Royal Albert Hall in their thousands. So it’s only us plebs that can’t be trusted is it?
Well obviously it’s not alright to re-open the Albert Hall. Nor is it right to spend millions on the elitist arts but that’s an argument for the politics section not here.
In respect of us ‘plebs’ not being trustworthy that is probably correct judging by what has gone on in the past couple of months thus sparking this debate in the first place.
The whole match day experience is about socialising in the pub at the game and back to the pub afterwards for many. The football is secondary to a lot of fans and I don’t think many would go to sit alone and straight home afterwards. Have you ever gone to a game and not had a drink at some point?.
Crowds may not be as large as some expect if there is no social contact and if we open up there will be no subsidy from the PL or government. I doubt they could sell programmes either and would food be table service only? Maybe the profits would’ve be as great as some think especially as the club already have the revenue from season tickets and any extra expense probably wouldn’t be recovered.
oldweststander wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
My comment was general not a personal attack, obviously yours are, but who cares.
The petition does not mention "when safe to do so".
We will all return "when safe to do so" but currently and in the short to medium term it isn't safe to return, you know that, I know that and surely to God 174,000 know that.
As for groups of protesters BLM or anything else, that should not have been allowed either, but maybe you supported the marches too?
Dan wrote:oldweststander wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
My comment was general not a personal attack, obviously yours are, but who cares.
The petition does not mention "when safe to do so".
We will all return "when safe to do so" but currently and in the short to medium term it isn't safe to return, you know that, I know that and surely to God 174,000 know that.
As for groups of protesters BLM or anything else, that should not have been allowed either, but maybe you supported the marches too?
Who decides that though? This government who have made a complete balls up of this whole thing since January? What if it's never ever going to be safe? What if this 'virus' is here for years like the flu is, then what do we do?
chip63 wrote:Dan wrote:oldweststander wrote:I am Spartacus wrote:oldweststander wrote:Just shows there are 174,000 football loving, inconsiderate clowns willing to put their name to a petition which, looking at the bigger picture, has no importance at all in the present pandemic.
And just why are myself and 173,999 others (at least) defined as clowns? For wanting to return to football grounds when the FA and government have deemed it safe to? Safe to watch Clipstone and Belper Town but not Mansfield Town? The petition is asking the current government to rethink backtracking on its thinking regarding so called Elite Sport. It is not a call to spectators to be guinea pigs for herd immunity. Read, if you can or ask your carer to, the recent release from the Brighton GP who states that after the Brighton trial game there was no effect on the figures in the local area.
Football fans, or clowns as you call us, are using government and parliamentary system to effect change. I would hate to hear your opinion of the BLM protestors and anti-lockdown protesters after they also gathered in numbers in public spaces.
The mental well being, community spirit, sense of well being, the benefits to the economy and a sense of a return to normality have a great importance in this current pandemic.
OWS I am afraid that based upon your comments you would fail to be employed in the circus as a clown, dancing horse, lion tamer’s three legged stool or a bearded lady.
Good day to you Sir!!!!
My comment was general not a personal attack, obviously yours are, but who cares.
The petition does not mention "when safe to do so".
We will all return "when safe to do so" but currently and in the short to medium term it isn't safe to return, you know that, I know that and surely to God 174,000 know that.
As for groups of protesters BLM or anything else, that should not have been allowed either, but maybe you supported the marches too?
Who decides that though? This government who have made a complete balls up of this whole thing since January? What if it's never ever going to be safe? What if this 'virus' is here for years like the flu is, then what do we do?
Think they said 10% of the population will of had it by end of year.
So 10 years from now we might be safe or dead.
I remember the hospitals last Xmas time full to the brim with no beds and patients in corridors with ambulances queuing outside and that was without covid.
It's going to be a very long winter, so not being able to watch football in a stadium is trivial.
Every game for every team is available to watch live.
Dan wrote:You say that, but if you speak to people in the medical profession as well as a lot of those people you talk about who were in hospital you’ll find that the majority of them firmly believe they had Covid last year.
Bradders wrote:Dan wrote:You say that, but if you speak to people in the medical profession as well as a lot of those people you talk about who were in hospital you’ll find that the majority of them firmly believe they had Covid last year.
...and they were wrong. I've known a few making that claim, and they either avoided getting an antibody test or they had one and it was negative. I had some bug in January that gave me a bad cough and other symptoms, then Covid in March. I can tell you that Covid is quite different from the infections that were doing the rounds last winter.
Dave Wayne wrote:Nottingham University have been reviewing samples taken from people 'pre-Covid' to try and trace how far back the infections actually go in the UK and the earliest evidence they have found of a 'community' transmission - somebody with Covid who hadn't travelled abroad - is an elderly woman in Nottingham who tested positive on 21 February. The people who think they had it in December had flu. If Covid had been in this country in December the number of hospitalised people would have been increasing a lot sooner than March.
On that note, the number of people hospitalised with Covid in England yesterday was higher than when we went into lockdown in March. With that in mind, is it really sensible to allow thousands of people to travel to football matches at the moment ?
Dave Wayne wrote:Nottingham University have been reviewing samples taken from people 'pre-Covid' to try and trace how far back the infections actually go in the UK and the earliest evidence they have found of a 'community' transmission - somebody with Covid who hadn't travelled abroad - is an elderly woman in Nottingham who tested positive on 21 February. The people who think they had it in December had flu. If Covid had been in this country in December the number of hospitalised people would have been increasing a lot sooner than March.
Dan wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:Nottingham University have been reviewing samples taken from people 'pre-Covid' to try and trace how far back the infections actually go in the UK and the earliest evidence they have found of a 'community' transmission - somebody with Covid who hadn't travelled abroad - is an elderly woman in Nottingham who tested positive on 21 February. The people who think they had it in December had flu. If Covid had been in this country in December the number of hospitalised people would have been increasing a lot sooner than March.
You’re wrong again.
Having created a network using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes, researchers believe the pandemic kicked off some time between September 13 and December 7, and that three different strains have emerged
When did coronavirus first come to the UK?
The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 78061/amp/
Dan wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:Nottingham University have been reviewing samples taken from people 'pre-Covid' to try and trace how far back the infections actually go in the UK and the earliest evidence they have found of a 'community' transmission - somebody with Covid who hadn't travelled abroad - is an elderly woman in Nottingham who tested positive on 21 February. The people who think they had it in December had flu. If Covid had been in this country in December the number of hospitalised people would have been increasing a lot sooner than March.
You’re wrong again.
Having created a network using over 1,000 coronavirus genomes, researchers believe the pandemic kicked off some time between September 13 and December 7, and that three different strains have emerged
When did coronavirus first come to the UK?
The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co ... 78061/amp/
Dan wrote:Have you not read my post above where it says the pandemic kicked off in the UK in September?!
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:You can’t confirm an infection if you don’t test for it.
If testing didn’t start until February, how can you confirm an infection in December? Anti body testing wasn’t developed until much later and can’t tell when the infection was contracted so I can’t see how you can say the infection 100% wasn’t here earlier.
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