Sneag wrote:Yeah we get it Rob, you wouldn't sack anyone (apart from Keith Curle).
4 points off 2nd and losing in the playoff again, facing a 3rd year in the 3rd division would be a massive failure for a club of that size.
Yeah they have empty seats, they also have a capacity double the size of the next biggest in that division. To average over 30,000 after the last few years their fans have had is phenomenal.
They have new owners at the club, he was always on borrowed time. He's also just been paid a hefty wedge to piss off, so I wouldn't go feeling too sorry for him.
Rob wrote:Sneag wrote:Yeah we get it Rob, you wouldn't sack anyone (apart from Keith Curle).
4 points off 2nd and losing in the playoff again, facing a 3rd year in the 3rd division would be a massive failure for a club of that size.
Yeah they have empty seats, they also have a capacity double the size of the next biggest in that division. To average over 30,000 after the last few years their fans have had is phenomenal.
They have new owners at the club, he was always on borrowed time. He's also just been paid a hefty wedge to piss off, so I wouldn't go feeling too sorry for him.
I thought the decision to sack Murray and Cox were completely correct, the decision to sack McEwan, Russell and Holdsworth also correct. King and Parkin did a great job under limited resources. Boam and Jones were terrible, Foster very unlucky and deserved better. Greavesie had just about come to a natural end and of course we failed to keep Dearden which was a huge mistake. Watkiss was poorly supported by Haslam and I know I have missed a few others but give me their names and I'll tell you whether I wanted them sacked or not. Truth is, my bottom line is a manager must be given a proper chance, that is not and never will be 8 games. It's just utter stupidity to appoint a manager and give him 8 games. You have now wanted our last two managers sacked after 8-10 games - just stupidity.
Sunderland are just another one of those entitled big clubs who are living off their past. You, as a Sunderland fan, are no doubt celebrating his dismissal, as you did the dismissal of DF. Good for you because as we all know, sacking managers after a few months in charge is the sure fire way to success. It might work out under their new manager but it didn't work out so well for County and Direites, both of whom had a very strong budget, both of whom had three managers in one season, both of whom were relegated.
chip63 wrote:Frank Lampard.
No pressure to deliver top 4.
If he fails with a very good squad no problem.
Dempster top 3 or your sacked.
Are we putting far too much pressure on managers and its stopping them doing the best.
Flitcroft knew one draw and he's a hero with contract for 3 more years.
Training at Loughborough st George's. Nights away.
Let's take the pressure off our players and management please from the board.
Every owner wants promotion and they can't say anything different to fans.
Maybe just maybe it would be better if they didn't keep saying it.
I can't think of many owners that talk so much about their club than us. (Hardy was one)
I'd back us if they said we are giving dempster 2 years to get it right.
I'd have backed them more if they'd given flitcroft til January to be in top 3.
I'm a Stags fan I support whoever is playing managing this Saturday and always have and will.
Rob wrote:Sneag wrote:Yeah we get it Rob, you wouldn't sack anyone (apart from Keith Curle).
4 points off 2nd and losing in the playoff again, facing a 3rd year in the 3rd division would be a massive failure for a club of that size.
Yeah they have empty seats, they also have a capacity double the size of the next biggest in that division. To average over 30,000 after the last few years their fans have had is phenomenal.
They have new owners at the club, he was always on borrowed time. He's also just been paid a hefty wedge to piss off, so I wouldn't go feeling too sorry for him.
I thought the decision to sack Murray and Cox were completely correct, the decision to sack McEwan, Russell and Holdsworth also correct. King and Parkin did a great job under limited resources. Boam and Jones were terrible, Foster very unlucky and deserved better. Greavesie had just about come to a natural end and of course we failed to keep Dearden which was a huge mistake. Watkiss was poorly supported by Haslam and I know I have missed a few others but give me their names and I'll tell you whether I wanted them sacked or not. Truth is, my bottom line is a manager must be given a proper chance, that is not and never will be 8 games. It's just utter stupidity to appoint a manager and give him 8 games. You have now wanted our last two managers sacked after 8-10 games - just stupidity.
Sunderland are just another one of those entitled big clubs who are living off their past. You, as a Sunderland fan, are no doubt celebrating his dismissal, as you did the dismissal of DF. Good for you because as we all know, sacking managers after a few months in charge is the sure fire way to success. It might work out under their new manager but it didn't work out so well for County and Direites, both of whom had a very strong budget, both of whom had three managers in one season, both of whom were relegated.
chip63 wrote:Frank Lampard.
No pressure to deliver top 4.
If he fails with a very good squad no problem.
Dempster top 3 or your sacked.
Are we putting far too much pressure on managers and its stopping them doing the best.
Flitcroft knew one draw and he's a hero with contract for 3 more years.
Training at Loughborough st George's. Nights away.
Let's take the pressure off our players and management please from the board.
Every owner wants promotion and they can't say anything different to fans.
Maybe just maybe it would be better if they didn't keep saying it.
I can't think of many owners that talk so much about their club than us. (Hardy was one)
I'd back us if they said we are giving dempster 2 years to get it right.
I'd have backed them more if they'd given flitcroft til January to be in top 3.
I'm a Stags fan I support whoever is playing managing this Saturday and always have and will.
JLStag wrote:chip63 wrote:Frank Lampard.
No pressure to deliver top 4.
If he fails with a very good squad no problem.
Dempster top 3 or your sacked.
Are we putting far too much pressure on managers and its stopping them doing the best.
Flitcroft knew one draw and he's a hero with contract for 3 more years.
Training at Loughborough st George's. Nights away.
Let's take the pressure off our players and management please from the board.
Every owner wants promotion and they can't say anything different to fans.
Maybe just maybe it would be better if they didn't keep saying it.
I can't think of many owners that talk so much about their club than us. (Hardy was one)
I'd back us if they said we are giving dempster 2 years to get it right.
I'd have backed them more if they'd given flitcroft til January to be in top 3.
I'm a Stags fan I support whoever is playing managing this Saturday and always have and will.
Reading that made my brain hurt
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Sneag, Curle didn't have his team sold out from under him by Haslam. They all left as their contracts were up and none of them wanted to sign and play under Curle again.
I believe that he is the worst manager we have ever had because of the players he inherited and his total and abject failure to achieve anything with them. Spent a fortune and achieved nothing.
And yes, I am including Russell and McEwan in that analysis. I might give you Stuart Boam though but he's forgiven for being such a legend.
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Sneag, Curle didn't have his team sold out from under him by Haslam. They all left as their contracts were up and none of them wanted to sign and play under Curle again.
I believe that he is the worst manager we have ever had because of the players he inherited and his total and abject failure to achieve anything with them. Spent a fortune and achieved nothing.
And yes, I am including Russell and McEwan in that analysis. I might give you Stuart Boam though but he's forgiven for being such a legend.
chip63 wrote:Frank Lampard.
No pressure to deliver top 4.
If he fails with a very good squad no problem.
Dempster top 3 or your sacked.
Are we putting far too much pressure on managers and its stopping them doing the best.
Flitcroft knew one draw and he's a hero with contract for 3 more years.
Training at Loughborough st George's. Nights away.
Let's take the pressure off our players and management please from the board.
Every owner wants promotion and they can't say anything different to fans.
Maybe just maybe it would be better if they didn't keep saying it.
I can't think of many owners that talk so much about their club than us. (Hardy was one)
I'd back us if they said we are giving dempster 2 years to get it right.
I'd have backed them more if they'd given flitcroft til January to be in top 3.
I'm a Stags fan I support whoever is playing managing this Saturday and always have and will.
The One wrote:yorkstag wrote:This thread is a bore. I want JD to succeed
Simples. Do not read it.
yorkstag wrote:The One wrote:yorkstag wrote:This thread is a bore. I want JD to succeed
Simples. Do not read it.
Says it all - this is a thread devoted to JDS failure. You are a , sad , v vindictive individual.
CassellsCap wrote:Great listen , enjoyed that
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I don't understand the logic of Rob abusing other fans on here for them agreeing with DF being sacked and then saying that he agreed with Keith Curle being sacked after he had taken the Stags to the League 2 Play Off Final the previous season. It does not make sense. Rob was also always very critical of Paul Cox who won the National League.
Liam Lawrence spoke well about Keith Curle on the Undr The Cosh Podcast (listen from 45m onwards).
https://audioboom.com/posts/6972780-ep- ... -say-sorry
bigalstag wrote:A thread on a message board is not going to bring him down. His ability, or lack of it will bring him down. Looking at pre-match ticket sales, which are on a steady downturn, means that some have already made up their mind.
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