Sneag wrote:stagone1959 wrote:Can't play on a plastic pitch in the EFL,shouldn't get promoted to it playing on one.
If teams getting promoted on plastic pitches keeps the Cheats & the skunks in the 5th circle of Hell for another season, I'm all for it.
Amber Andy wrote:So that's another "plastic pitch" that will need digging up.
adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
bellwhiff wrote:adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
Spot on. Luddites need to move on. These pitches are good enough for league football. We aren’t talking about the ridiculous Luton and Oldham pitches of the 80s.
Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
Spot on. Luddites need to move on. These pitches are good enough for league football. We aren’t talking about the ridiculous Luton and Oldham pitches of the 80s.
The thing is... these 3G pitches, there isn't just one kind you can get... Ive seen some at academies (weirdly indoor!) that are no different to grass, some are plastic and some are hybrid but less so than than the desso grass pitches.
these ones conference clubs have are no different to what you'd get down at power league and they aren't good enough. You'd all complain and be against it the minute a player turns and does his ACL infront of everyone, there's more of a risk with them and still why a lot of professional clubs don't allow first team senior pros near them. Yes they've gotten much better but they still aren't good enough for league football.
kevin kents tasce wrote:Genuine question,
Why aren’t they good enough for league football in England, but they are good enough in France, Russia, Scotland, Switzerland and Portugal (amongst others)?
Also, why are they suitable for top level Rugby but not football?
I’m no expert in pitches, but I find it hard to understand the argument against the benefits of artificial grass.
adamstag wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
Spot on. Luddites need to move on. These pitches are good enough for league football. We aren’t talking about the ridiculous Luton and Oldham pitches of the 80s.
The thing is... these 3G pitches, there isn't just one kind you can get... Ive seen some at academies (weirdly indoor!) that are no different to grass, some are plastic and some are hybrid but less so than than the desso grass pitches.
these ones conference clubs have are no different to what you'd get down at power league and they aren't good enough. You'd all complain and be against it the minute a player turns and does his ACL infront of everyone, there's more of a risk with them and still why a lot of professional clubs don't allow first team senior pros near them. Yes they've gotten much better but they still aren't good enough for league football.
But yet UEFA say they’re good enough for internationals?
In short you’re saying it’s good enough for league 2 but is good enough for england?
I’m intrigued to understand how this equation works?
Sedgwick wrote:adamstag wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:adamstag wrote:Having to dig up 4g pitches (which england have played an international on which Southgate and the players said they noticed no difference!) because dinosaurs at the EFL insist is happens is ludicrous.
If anything lower league clubs should be looking to bring them in when possible, look at us for instance - no dodgy pitch like last year, no frost down the west hand side of the pitch, more games can be played on it.
It’s staggering that sutton (and harrogate last season) have to do so.
Spot on. Luddites need to move on. These pitches are good enough for league football. We aren’t talking about the ridiculous Luton and Oldham pitches of the 80s.
The thing is... these 3G pitches, there isn't just one kind you can get... Ive seen some at academies (weirdly indoor!) that are no different to grass, some are plastic and some are hybrid but less so than than the desso grass pitches.
these ones conference clubs have are no different to what you'd get down at power league and they aren't good enough. You'd all complain and be against it the minute a player turns and does his ACL infront of everyone, there's more of a risk with them and still why a lot of professional clubs don't allow first team senior pros near them. Yes they've gotten much better but they still aren't good enough for league football.
But yet UEFA say they’re good enough for internationals?
In short you’re saying it’s not good enough for league 2 but is good enough for england?
I’m intrigued to understand how this equation works?
I believe Uefa have to allow them to make internationals accessible to more countries, some that have absolutely no funding.
Rob wrote:Almost all Dutch amateur and kids football is played on 4G, it is also used in the Eredivisie. I've reff'd on the indoor pitch at St George's a few times and it is a perfect surface, no bare patches, no mud, no divots etc etc. Almost all clubs, including our own, train on these surfaces. For lower league clubs they provide additional income, no postponed games, a local community facility and many would argue a far better surface than most lower league grass pitches in the winter. Initial costs are high, but are more than recouped in quite a short period.
Parkinsons Perm wrote:Rob wrote:Almost all Dutch amateur and kids football is played on 4G, it is also used in the Eredivisie. I've reff'd on the indoor pitch at St George's a few times and it is a perfect surface, no bare patches, no mud, no divots etc etc. Almost all clubs, including our own, train on these surfaces. For lower league clubs they provide additional income, no postponed games, a local community facility and many would argue a far better surface than most lower league grass pitches in the winter. Initial costs are high, but are more than recouped in quite a short period.
Sorry Rob but I've watched numerous Scottish matches on these pitches this season due to lockdown, to me its nothing like watching one on grass.
To me, along with VAR it's another way of making the game 'sterile' for want of a better phrase.
Without the things you mention above like mud, divots etc it's just too 'perfect' which detracts from Dave Syrett, Kevin Pilkington moments.
I can obviously understand the financial benefits but it's not for me.
If people have Sky I would urge them to watch Killie v Dundee in the play off tonight and make their own mind up as I believe they play on plaggy?
MTFCMusings wrote:We’ve all probably played on the 4G pitches and you have to say that it is different to playing on grass. The ball bounces differently.
stagone1959 wrote:The game is not the same on plastic,go to Basford or Staveley and see.It is more like a game of five a side.They are good for community clubs like Staveley as they generate extra revenue but they should be confined to below the National league.
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