Can and should football survive tier 4.

[chip63]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

It's a world wide shortage of doctors and nurses, we can't import these very important people at the moment as they are doing essential work in their own countries.

[I am Spartacus]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

Can’t increase the funding when the idiots in Whitehall, the civil service and NHS procurement have blown hundreds of millions already. They ought to have been spending wisely.

What have they done with all the monies not spent on routine surgeries, procedures or screening during the last nine months?

The results of the public inquiry into this will be something to behold, evidencing a poorly managed (not clinically) health service used as a political ball and how poorly talented the leadership of our nation (from councillors to the Prime Minister) is.

[Dave Wayne]

Total lockdown thro the UK needed .

not again... they don't work they just delay the inevitable while destroying business and peoples mental health.

Roll out the vaccine, protect the vulnerable get back to normal.

I think you will find that the vaccine is being rolled out as fast as they can get it. The UK has ordered 40m doses but it does not all arrive at once, other countries, including the USA, have ordered millions of doses too.

You are right re lockdown, the fallout re mental health and businesses is awful but it would be worse if the NHS were overrun, hence the reason to lockdown and delay the spread, should it happen.

The NHS isn't even close to being over run... we've got the nightingale hospitals not being used.

Still think its crazy when above 99% survive and the average age of death is the same as the uk average anyway.

Shame the track & trace system is a shambles, the app doesn't even work anymore.

So the elderly don't matter then because they were going to die soon anyway ?
As I have stated numerous times on here before, the fatality rate is not the important issue. The issue is that as it is still a new virus we don't know what the long term complications are for 'survivors'. There are many examples of previously healthy young people being left unable to function properly months after 'recovery'. People who previously ran 10k on a regular basis who now can't walk 200 yards without getting out of breath. The virus has also been shown to cross the blood/brain barrier and get into the neurological system, which is very rare for this type of virus, and this could lead to other complications in the long term. The impact of all this on the finances of the country if we let the virus get out of control are unthinkable as we could end up with a large number of people unable to work through permanent disabilities.
We need to stick with the restrictions while the vaccine is rolled out, and then we can start getting back to normal.
It's a year to 18 months out of your life. If you do what you can to protect yourself you will have plenty more years left. Think about the restrictions that were placed on people's lives throughout WW2 and the following years with rationing, etc. as this is nothing compared to that.
Also think about the people on here that may have lost someone to Covid and then ask yourself whether you should be telling them that over 99% survive when they are suffering from their loss. Would you say it to their face ?

[oldweststander]

Total lockdown thro the UK needed .

not again... they don't work they just delay the inevitable while destroying business and peoples mental health.

Roll out the vaccine, protect the vulnerable get back to normal.

I think you will find that the vaccine is being rolled out as fast as they can get it. The UK has ordered 40m doses but it does not all arrive at once, other countries, including the USA, have ordered millions of doses too.

You are right re lockdown, the fallout re mental health and businesses is awful but it would be worse if the NHS were overrun, hence the reason to lockdown and delay the spread, should it happen.

The NHS isn't even close to being over run... we've got the nightingale hospitals not being used.

Still think its crazy when above 99% survive and the average age of death is the same as the uk average anyway.

Shame the track & trace system is a shambles, the app doesn't even work anymore.

So the elderly don't matter then because they were going to die soon anyway ?
As I have stated numerous times on here before, the fatality rate is not the important issue. The issue is that as it is still a new virus we don't know what the long term complications are for 'survivors'. There are many examples of previously healthy young people being left unable to function properly months after 'recovery'. People who previously ran 10k on a regular basis who now can't walk 200 yards without getting out of breath. The virus has also been shown to cross the blood/brain barrier and get into the neurological system, which is very rare for this type of virus, and this could lead to other complications in the long term. The impact of all this on the finances of the country if we let the virus get out of control are unthinkable as we could end up with a large number of people unable to work through permanent disabilities.
We need to stick with the restrictions while the vaccine is rolled out, and then we can start getting back to normal.
It's a year to 18 months out of your life. If you do what you can to protect yourself you will have plenty more years left. Think about the restrictions that were placed on people's lives throughout WW2 and the following years with rationing, etc. as this is nothing compared to that.
Also think about the people on here that may have lost someone to Covid and then ask yourself whether you should be telling them that over 99% survive when they are suffering from their loss. Would you say it to their face ?

Plenty of sense written by Dave Wayne, as he says, it's about the long term, young strong men and women may well have to carry the after effects of Covid for many many months, maybe years or even a lifetime. Food for thought.

[georgefostersbeard]

The new variant of Covid also appears to be significantly more contagious and also affect the young much more.
Educational establishments now outrank all other sectors in the places where infections are picked up.
If this is all true, it does point to the fact that players are at greater risk than we thought they were

Edit - The Telegraph now floating the idea of schools being closed for the whole of January so a lockdown looks likely

[wayno cordiniho]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

Most shortsighted policy decision made in the austerity years was the cessation of nursing bursaries...killed the pipeline

[Number63]

Back to football. The football family at an elite level has not always equited itself well. Bubbles broken testing regimes unclear, manager not keeping distance.

Of course the pandemic is not down to them. But they need to play their part.

[Dan]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

Most shortsighted policy decision made in the austerity years was the cessation of nursing bursaries...killed the pipeline

My wife has given over 25 years to the nhs. Today she’s received an email saying thanks for everything you’ve done in these hard times but the payrise we were going to give you, we’re not anymore. Probably no money left as the Tories have given it all to their mates again

[Dan]

The new variant of Covid also appears to be significantly more contagious and also affect the young much more.
Educational establishments now outrank all other sectors in the places where infections are picked up.
If this is all true, it does point to the fact that players are at greater risk than we thought they were

Edit - The Telegraph now floating the idea of schools being closed for the whole of January so a lockdown looks likely

My sons school have told us he’s not going back when he should be and that he will be working from home for an extra week.

[Sedgwick]

looking like a break until mid jan for Pro football. Possibly a national lockdown after Christmas too

[Martin Shaw]

[georgefostersbeard]

The new variant of Covid also appears to be significantly more contagious and also affect the young much more.
Educational establishments now outrank all other sectors in the places where infections are picked up.
If this is all true, it does point to the fact that players are at greater risk than we thought they were

Edit - The Telegraph now floating the idea of schools being closed for the whole of January so a lockdown looks likely

My sons school have told us he’s not going back when he should be and that he will be working from home for an extra week.

Is he secondary aged, Dan?
Secondary schools are only bringing in Y11 and Y13 in the first week to allow for testing

[Dan]

The new variant of Covid also appears to be significantly more contagious and also affect the young much more.
Educational establishments now outrank all other sectors in the places where infections are picked up.
If this is all true, it does point to the fact that players are at greater risk than we thought they were

Edit - The Telegraph now floating the idea of schools being closed for the whole of January so a lockdown looks likely

My sons school have told us he’s not going back when he should be and that he will be working from home for an extra week.

Is he secondary aged, Dan?
Secondary schools are only bringing in Y11 and Y13 in the first week to allow for testing

Yes he’s 12. It said Y11 & Y13 are in for exams, not sure what they are.

[cambridgestag]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

NHS has 1.5 million staff.

[georgefostersbeard]

The new variant of Covid also appears to be significantly more contagious and also affect the young much more.
Educational establishments now outrank all other sectors in the places where infections are picked up.
If this is all true, it does point to the fact that players are at greater risk than we thought they were

Edit - The Telegraph now floating the idea of schools being closed for the whole of January so a lockdown looks likely

My sons school have told us he’s not going back when he should be and that he will be working from home for an extra week.

Is he secondary aged, Dan?
Secondary schools are only bringing in Y11 and Y13 in the first week to allow for testing

Yes he’s 12. It said Y11 & Y13 are in for exams, not sure what they are.

It will be their Mock GCSE and A level exams

[Martin Shaw]

extract from https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 42226.html

The EFL said its clubs would be "reviewing and further strengthening their COVID-19 protocols to help minimise the transmission risk" but that this would still only cover mandatory testing where players or staff are showing symptoms.

League-wide testing is conducted at strategic times during the season, with the next set scheduled for the week beginning January 4.

It is understood measures which will be looked at include keeping time in indoor environments on club premises to an absolute minimum, a review of the use of gyms, changing facilities, showers and catering facilities, using multiple coaches or individuals' cars to travel to matches and limiting contact with anyone outside of a household bubble over Christmas.

[Sedgwick]

extract from https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 42226.html

The EFL said its clubs would be "reviewing and further strengthening their COVID-19 protocols to help minimise the transmission risk" but that this would still only cover mandatory testing where players or staff are showing symptoms.

League-wide testing is conducted at strategic times during the season, with the next set scheduled for the week beginning January 4.

It is understood measures which will be looked at include keeping time in indoor environments on club premises to an absolute minimum, a review of the use of gyms, changing facilities, showers and catering facilities, using multiple coaches or individuals' cars to travel to matches and limiting contact with anyone outside of a household bubble over Christmas.

Did anyone see the non league side that did their HT team talk in the stand? There was a photo on twitter but they didn't want to be in a cramp changing room for 15 minutes

Can see that happened more often.

[chip63]

Would this mean no training at clubs too, not sure if it would help us regards new players coming in etc...
It makes sense with players mixing on Xmas day and likely to increase the infection chances.

[chip63]

Would this mean no training at clubs too, not sure if it would help us regards new players coming in etc...
It makes sense with players mixing on Xmas day and likely to increase the infection chances.

Just read above about mass testing on January 4th, so at least that covers any Xmas infections being found.

[Amber Andy]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

Most shortsighted policy decision made in the austerity years was the cessation of nursing bursaries...killed the pipeline

My wife has given over 25 years to the nhs. Today she’s received an email saying thanks for everything you’ve done in these hard times but the payrise we were going to give you, we’re not anymore. Probably no money left as the Tories have given it all to their mates again

That is shocking, especially as Cummins was given a £45,000 pay rise.

[The One]

Would this mean no training at clubs too, not sure if it would help us regards new players coming in etc...
It makes sense with players mixing on Xmas day and likely to increase the infection chances.

Just read above about mass testing on January 4th, so at least that covers any Xmas infections being found.

Where is this please ?

[Martin Shaw]

5 posts up within this thread.

[Dan]

The nightingale hospitals can’t be used as we have no staff to run them, unless you take staff from hospitals that are already under staffed.

Think it all comes down to.. why hasn't there been much increase in NHS funding? Not really seen it mentioned or challenged anywhere. Yet everyone will still vote for these

Most shortsighted policy decision made in the austerity years was the cessation of nursing bursaries...killed the pipeline

My wife has given over 25 years to the nhs. Today she’s received an email saying thanks for everything you’ve done in these hard times but the payrise we were going to give you, we’re not anymore. Probably no money left as the Tories have given it all to their mates again

That is shocking, especially as Cummins was given a £45,000 pay rise.

I know mate. As I said, Tories lining their mates pockets yet again. Makes a mockery of yet more Boris lies after he had Covid (if he actually did have it) as he was going on about how wonderful the nhs was/is yet still underfunds it. You couldn't make it up. But nothing surprises me with that scummy lot.

[The One]

5 posts up within this thread.

Thank you

[Martin Shaw]