spanishstag wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Conker wrote:Rob wrote:League 1 and 2 should be allowed to use artificial pitches, the argument is even stronger in this tough financial climate.
Completely disagree, if you can’t maintain a grass pitch you shouldn’t be allowed in the professional leagues. For once I’m fully in line with the EFL
I understand this is a pretty divided thing, and the benefits and negatives to grass/plastic but ultimately I just don’t think it should ever be allowed at this level.
Agreed a grass pitch should be the minimum requirement for a professional club. Fair enough in non league where clubs cant afford it but not in the EFL. Theres teams way way way below the conference that all manage it so any pro club should be able to.
Teams playing on plastic every week will be used to it, it changes the game and its an advantage when playing at home.
But surely the said teams away record would be terrible having to play on an unusual surface
Big yella wrote:spanishstag wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Conker wrote:Rob wrote:League 1 and 2 should be allowed to use artificial pitches, the argument is even stronger in this tough financial climate.
Completely disagree, if you can’t maintain a grass pitch you shouldn’t be allowed in the professional leagues. For once I’m fully in line with the EFL
I understand this is a pretty divided thing, and the benefits and negatives to grass/plastic but ultimately I just don’t think it should ever be allowed at this level.
Agreed a grass pitch should be the minimum requirement for a professional club. Fair enough in non league where clubs cant afford it but not in the EFL. Theres teams way way way below the conference that all manage it so any pro club should be able to.
Teams playing on plastic every week will be used to it, it changes the game and its an advantage when playing at home.
But surely the said teams away record would be terrible having to play on an unusual surface
Why?
If Harrogate came into the league with their plastic pitch they would play 50% of their games on grass and so be perfectly accustomed to the surface. Where as every other side would be adjusting for just one game at there place. Unfair advantage?
Rob wrote:Far from 4G being binned, the number of leagues allowing them is increasing enormously. You now have them in the Champions League, MLS, Eredivisie, the whole of Scandinavia, Womens World Cup Finals and in all UK leagues except Premier League and EFL.
Also you cannot compare the 4G pitches now to the ones QPR, Luton and Preston had.
Rob wrote:Far from 4G being binned, the number of leagues allowing them is increasing enormously. You now have them in the Champions League, MLS, Eredivisie, the whole of Scandinavia, Womens World Cup Finals and in all UK leagues except Premier League and EFL.
Also you cannot compare the 4G pitches now to the ones QPR, Luton and Preston had.
Sneag wrote:Rob wrote:Far from 4G being binned, the number of leagues allowing them is increasing enormously. You now have them in the Champions League, MLS, Eredivisie, the whole of Scandinavia, Womens World Cup Finals and in all UK leagues except Premier League and EFL.
Also you cannot compare the 4G pitches now to the ones QPR, Luton and Preston had.
Didn't Oldham have one too?
NorthLondonStag wrote:Rob wrote:Far from 4G being binned, the number of leagues allowing them is increasing enormously. You now have them in the Champions League, MLS, Eredivisie, the whole of Scandinavia, Womens World Cup Finals and in all UK leagues except Premier League and EFL.
Also you cannot compare the 4G pitches now to the ones QPR, Luton and Preston had.
Fair point - I was being slightly flippant (but BTW isn't Harrogate 3G, not 4G)?
Rob wrote:NorthLondonStag wrote:Rob wrote:Far from 4G being binned, the number of leagues allowing them is increasing enormously. You now have them in the Champions League, MLS, Eredivisie, the whole of Scandinavia, Womens World Cup Finals and in all UK leagues except Premier League and EFL.
Also you cannot compare the 4G pitches now to the ones QPR, Luton and Preston had.
Fair point - I was being slightly flippant (but BTW isn't Harrogate 3G, not 4G)?
Not sure to be honest, nor am I sure what the difference is. 4 sounds newer than 3
steiner wrote:Didn't we smash Preston for 5 on their plaggy pitch?
Martin Shaw wrote:steiner wrote:Didn't we smash Preston for 5 on their plaggy pitch?
yes. Full game available to view on iFollow during the pandemic
steiner wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:steiner wrote:Didn't we smash Preston for 5 on their plaggy pitch?
yes. Full game available to view on iFollow during the pandemic
Cheers Martin wouldn't mind seeing that.. Was it late 80s early 90s?
Spiritater wrote:Grass all day for me.
Good examples are when the pitch is waterlogged and the striker shoots and turns away celebrating only to find the ball got stuck in the mud on the line. The best one though is Stan Collymore's goal for Liverpool at Blackburn against Tim Flowers when a poor speculative shot straight down the middle of the goal hit a divot and bounced over Flowers. I bet the groundsman got blamed for that one.Spiritater wrote:I love the fact there are imponderables with grass pitches.
The phew moment where the away striker has a simple tap in in 90+8 mins to win the game at t'Mill and t'ball hits a divot and he misses it completely
bellwhiff wrote:It’s absolutely correct to say that a good grass pitch is better than a good 4G surface
It’s also fair to say that a 4G pitch is a lot better than a bad or boggy grass surface.
Newport for example. Add to that the longevity and it’s ridiculous and backward to ban the surfaces from the league.
Rob wrote:bellwhiff wrote:It’s absolutely correct to say that a good grass pitch is better than a good 4G surface
It’s also fair to say that a 4G pitch is a lot better than a bad or boggy grass surface.
Newport for example. Add to that the longevity and it’s ridiculous and backward to ban the surfaces from the league.
I think at the very top level then we should be playing on grass surfaces as they can afford to keep them pristine, but as you say, at lower levels pitches are very often appalling in Jan/Feb and quite clearly far more dangerous than 4G. However, this isn't really my argument for allowing clubs to use them, my main argument really is a financial one, if we had a 4G pitch it could be used every day of every week of every month, bringing in money to the club and a new resource to the local community.
As for examples of a dodgy pitch, the goal against Spurs in 77
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