Update - League 2 clubs vote to end season

[BH_Stag]

So Tranmere put forward a plan that adopts a formula that takes in to account form over the past 3 seasons? Oh, how incredibly convenient for them considering they’ve had 2 promotions. It’s not even a subtle attempt at trying to fix something up to suit themselves

I know all chairmen/clubs will try and do what they can for their club, and that’s fair enough, but I hope the proposals are dismissed by the rest of the clubs in league 1 and they adopt a PPG/WPPG, whichever they want.
I understand Tranmere’s complaints and it’s unfortunate on their part but this is not an ideal situation. If the season is to be played to a conclusion one way or another, then all relegation spots have to be honoured. That goes for League 2 as well.

[Amber Andy]

With the Cummings debacle and the demonstrations we are going to be in "lockdown" for perpetuity anyway so it's all a complete waste of time.

[NorthLondonStag]

So Tranmere put forward a plan that adopts a formula that takes in to account form over the past 3 seasons? Oh, how incredibly convenient for them considering they’ve had 2 promotions. It’s not even a subtle attempt at trying to fix something up to suit themselves

I know all chairmen/clubs will try and do what they can for their club, and that’s fair enough, but I hope the proposals are dismissed by the rest of the clubs in league 1 and they adopt a PPG/WPPG, whichever they want.
I understand Tranmere’s complaints and it’s unfortunate on their part but this is not an ideal situation. If the season is to be played to a conclusion one way or another, then all relegation spots have to be honoured. That goes for League 2 as well.

In fairness to them they have not put forward a plan that adjusts for how they themselves have performed over the last 3 seasons. They have put forward a plan that adjusts all clubs’ points by an amount calculated by how the position is at this stage in the season might vary from the end on a general basis. The result would be the same though.

[BH_Stag]

So Tranmere put forward a plan that adopts a formula that takes in to account form over the past 3 seasons? Oh, how incredibly convenient for them considering they’ve had 2 promotions. It’s not even a subtle attempt at trying to fix something up to suit themselves

I know all chairmen/clubs will try and do what they can for their club, and that’s fair enough, but I hope the proposals are dismissed by the rest of the clubs in league 1 and they adopt a PPG/WPPG, whichever they want.
I understand Tranmere’s complaints and it’s unfortunate on their part but this is not an ideal situation. If the season is to be played to a conclusion one way or another, then all relegation spots have to be honoured. That goes for League 2 as well.

In fairness to them they have not put forward a plan that adjusts for how they themselves have performed over the last 3 seasons. They have put forward a plan that adjusts all clubs’ points by an amount calculated by how the position is at this stage in the season might vary from the end on a general basis. The result would be the same though.

Edit to my response: ah I see, misunderstood the calculation somewhat, but like you say, the end result is obviously still highly convenient for them!

[I am Spartacus]

The formula that takes into account ‘form over the last three seasons’ is cheating. End of. No ifs, no buts just cheating. The formula will be used to maintain the status quo and involve nothing to do with the cyclic nature of football. If you are good enough in a season to be in a promotion position it is because you are good enough. If you are poor enough to be in a relegation position it is because you are poor or Tranmere Rovers. The mathematics that may be needed to end this season need to take into account current statistics and not based upon a player who may have retired two years ago?

This idea is on a par with the UEFA coefficient system for determining participants in those annual moneyed jamborees (ie Champions League even though how a team finishing fourth can be called a champion is beyond me). A system that ensures that the crap and yesterday’s teams of Italy such as Ac Milan always have a payday.

Mr Palios, would you have agreed to such an unequal system whilst in charge at the FA? Not likely.

I despair of football administrators and club chairmen. I am sure that the most high profile and vocal, when out food shopping stand in the bakers, pointing at the sliced bread and shout, ‘I invented that’.

[NorthLondonStag]

Spartacus, that’s not how the proposed system works. It’s got nothing to do with the team’s own form over the last three seasons. The BBC report is misleading but the link I posted above explains how it works.

What the system is designed to do is to take all the teams that are in the promotion or relegation positions and then apply an adjustment. The ‘last three seasons’ point comes in because it looks at a statistical analysis of how much the teams position now could reasonably be expected to change by the end of the season.

It’s nothing to do with a given team’s last three seasons, whether they performed well or badly.

[I am Spartacus]

Spartacus, that’s not how the proposed system works. It’s got nothing to do with the team’s own form over the last three seasons. The BBC report is misleading but the link I posted above explains how it works.

What the system is designed to do is to take all the teams that are in the promotion or relegation positions and then apply an adjustment. The ‘last three seasons’ point comes in because it looks at a statistical analysis of how much the teams position now could reasonably be expected to change by the end of the season.

It’s nothing to do with a given team’s last three seasons, whether they performed well or badly.

Thanks for the clarification, my apologies. Reasonable adjustment of change? Why three seasons and who defines reasonable. IMO football is a seasonal competition and your league the following season depends on your performance in the current season.

Reasonable and fairness when applied to formulas to effect end of season change are to subjective for me as they skew the statistics, albeit slightly, of the season. Clubs, and I would take the same view if we were in a relegation position or would miss out on promotion, should be judged on the current season alone.

I would like to know Jimmy Glass’s view on how to end the season? A game of headers and volleys perhaps?

[mousemousemouse]

Spartacus, that’s not how the proposed system works. It’s got nothing to do with the team’s own form over the last three seasons. The BBC report is misleading but the link I posted above explains how it works.

What the system is designed to do is to take all the teams that are in the promotion or relegation positions and then apply an adjustment. The ‘last three seasons’ point comes in because it looks at a statistical analysis of how much the teams position now could reasonably be expected to change by the end of the season.

It’s nothing to do with a given team’s last three seasons, whether they performed well or badly.

Thanks for the clarification, my apologies. Reasonable adjustment of change? Why three seasons and who defines reasonable. IMO football is a seasonal competition and your league the following season depends on your performance in the current season.

Reasonable and fairness when applied to formulas to effect end of season change are to subjective for me as they skew the statistics, albeit slightly, of the season. Clubs, and I would take the same view if we were in a relegation position or would miss out on promotion, should be judged on the current season alone.

I would like to know Jimmy Glass’s view on how to end the season? A game of headers and volleys perhaps?

It'll take into consideration how the teams performed in the final stages of the previous years; how many points they accumulated, goals conceded etc and the model the table using this data. They're trying to predict the outcome to this season based on 3 year averages. I presume 3 seasons because Tranmere had generally good form in 2 of those?

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

[Big yella]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

My God mate. For someone who wanted the season ended 20 seconds after the first cancellation you haven't half whinged and moaned about every proposed way of ending it?

[NorthLondonStag]

Spartacus, that’s not how the proposed system works. It’s got nothing to do with the team’s own form over the last three seasons. The BBC report is misleading but the link I posted above explains how it works.

What the system is designed to do is to take all the teams that are in the promotion or relegation positions and then apply an adjustment. The ‘last three seasons’ point comes in because it looks at a statistical analysis of how much the teams position now could reasonably be expected to change by the end of the season.

It’s nothing to do with a given team’s last three seasons, whether they performed well or badly.

Thanks for the clarification, my apologies. Reasonable adjustment of change? Why three seasons and who defines reasonable. IMO football is a seasonal competition and your league the following season depends on your performance in the current season.

Reasonable and fairness when applied to formulas to effect end of season change are to subjective for me as they skew the statistics, albeit slightly, of the season. Clubs, and I would take the same view if we were in a relegation position or would miss out on promotion, should be judged on the current season alone.

I would like to know Jimmy Glass’s view on how to end the season? A game of headers and volleys perhaps?

It'll take into consideration how the teams performed in the final stages of the previous years; how many points they accumulated, goals conceded etc and the model the table using this data. They're trying to predict the outcome to this season based on 3 year averages. I presume 3 seasons because Tranmere had generally good form in 2 of those?

This is not how it works - please read the link circulated above.

The adjustment is a ‘margin for error’ adjustment that means that teams who might reasonably have missed out on promotion/avoided relegation will miss out on promotion/avoid relegation based on an adjustment for that margin for error.

It’s got nothing to do with that team’s own performance over the last 3 seasons.

It’s calculated using an average of what might have changed and then applying a statistical chance of what might be considered a reasonable adjustment.

They have chosen three years as you have to choose some reasonable period over which to calculate the adjustment, based on past data.

So the idea is that if you were very likely to have got
Promoted or relegated anyway then you will but if you are within the reasonable margin for error then you won’t.

[NorthLondonStag]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

This is what the proposal seeks to do. If you had a decent chance of avoiding relegation based on the margin for error then you will. If you are already outside the relegation places then you can’t go down either.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

This is what the proposal seeks to do. If you had a decent chance of avoiding relegation based on the margin for error then you will. If you are already outside the relegation places then you can’t go down either.

So who goes down then?

By just adrift of the pack, I meant teams in relegation places who may have survived. If teams clear of the bottom won't go down either then on your reckoning no-one will.

[ST4GS]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

Anything can happen and often does.
Our one and only season in tier two provided an amazing end of the season relegation battle.
Blackpool were 7th and if play-offs had been invented would have been looking to challenge for promotion.
When Blackpool finished their last game they were "safe!!" in 16th position, four places above the drop zone.
At the end of the season the four teams directly below Blackpool in the table gained the points required from games in hand to relegate Blackpool.
Burnley who were in the bottom three in March finished top half in 11th.

League Division Two table after close of play on 11 March 1978:
1 Tottenham Hotspur 32 16 13 3 65 32 33 45
2 Bolton Wanderers 31 19 7 5 51 27 24 45
3 Southampton 31 17 8 6 49 31 18 42
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 31 15 10 6 47 31 16 40
5 Blackburn Rovers 30 14 9 7 45 39 6 37
6 Oldham Athletic 31 11 11 9 42 41 1 33
7 Blackpool 31 12 8 11 50 41 9 32
8 Fulham 29 11 8 10 39 32 7 30
9 Luton Town 32 11 8 13 42 38 4 30
10 Crystal Palace 30 10 10 10 39 37 2 30
11 Bristol Rovers 31 9 12 10 45 53 -8 30
12 Sunderland 30 8 12 10 48 47 1 28
13 Notts County 30 9 10 11 42 48 -6 28
14 Sheffield United 30 11 6 13 44 56 -12 28
15 Stoke City 29 10 7 12 29 31 -2 27
16 Charlton Athletic 30 9 9 12 44 54 -10 27
17 Orient 29 6 13 10 30 34 -4 25
18 Cardiff City 30 8 8 14 39 59 -20 24
19 Hull City 31 7 9 15 27 36 -9 23
20 Burnley 31 7 9 15 33 51 -18 23
21 Millwall 29 5 11 13 28 41 -13 21
22 Mansfield Town 30 6 8 16 35 54 -19 20

League Division Two table after close of play on 01 May 1978
1 Bolton Wanderers 42 24 10 8 63 33 30 58
2 Southampton 42 22 13 7 70 39 31 57
3 Tottenham Hotspur 42 20 16 6 83 49 34 56
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 22 12 8 63 38 25 56
5 Blackburn Rovers 42 16 13 13 56 60 -4 45
6 Sunderland 42 14 16 12 67 59 8 44
7 Stoke City 42 16 10 16 53 49 4 42
8 Oldham Athletic 42 13 16 13 54 58 -4 42
9 Crystal Palace 42 13 15 14 50 47 3 41
10 Fulham 42 14 13 15 49 49 0 41
11 Burnley 42 15 10 17 56 64 -8 40
12 Sheffield United 42 16 8 18 62 73 -11 40
13 Luton Town 42 14 10 18 54 52 2 38
14 Notts County 41 11 16 14 53 60 -7 38
15 Bristol Rovers 42 13 12 17 61 77 -16 38
16 Blackpool 42 12 13 17 59 60 -1 37
17 Charlton Athletic 41 13 11 17 55 68 -13 37
18 Millwall 41 11 14 16 48 57 -9 36
19 Cardiff City 40 12 12 16 49 69 -20 36
20 Orient 40 9 17 14 42 49 -7 35
21 Mansfield Town 41 10 11 20 49 68 -19 31
22 Hull City 42 8 12 22 34 52 -18 28



League Division Two end of season table for 1977-78 season
1 Bolton Wanderers 42 24 10 8 63 33 30 58
2 Southampton 42 22 13 7 70 39 31 57
3 Tottenham Hotspur 42 20 16 6 83 49 34 56
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 22 12 8 63 38 25 56
5 Blackburn Rovers 42 16 13 13 56 60 -4 45
6 Sunderland 42 14 16 12 67 59 8 44
7 Stoke City 42 16 10 16 53 49 4 42
8 Oldham Athletic 42 13 16 13 54 58 -4 42
9 Crystal Palace 42 13 15 14 50 47 3 41
10 Fulham 42 14 13 15 49 49 0 41
11 Burnley 42 15 10 17 56 64 -8 40
12 Sheffield United 42 16 8 18 62 73 -11 40
13 Luton Town 42 14 10 18 54 52 2 38
14 Orient 42 10 18 14 43 49 -6 38
15 Notts County 42 11 16 15 54 62 -8 38
16 Millwall 42 12 14 16 49 57 -8 38
17 Charlton Athletic 42 13 12 17 55 68 -13 38
18 Bristol Rovers 42 13 12 17 61 77 -16 38
19 Cardiff City 42 13 12 17 51 71 -20 38
20 Blackpool 42 12 13 17 59 60 -1 37
21 Mansfield Town 42 10 11 21 49 69 -20 31
22 Hull City 42 8 12 22 34 52 -18 28

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

My God mate. For someone who wanted the season ended 20 seconds after the first cancellation you haven't half whinged and moaned about every proposed way of ending it?

Craig it was obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense that the season couldn't be completed in anything remotely resembling normal circumstances even in the early stages of lockdown.

I stand by my assertion that promotion and relegations should not take place this season as teams will be unjustly penalised. The fairest thing is to void all results as no team had won anything and no one was guaranteed to win anything. I accept Liverpool would probably have won the premiership and Bolton were doomed but apart from that anything could have happened. This whole situation could not have been predicted and no one is to blame for it so the status quo should prevail (and no I'm not talking about the rock group)

[NorthLondonStag]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

This is what the proposal seeks to do. If you had a decent chance of avoiding relegation based on the margin for error then you will. If you are already outside the relegation places then you can’t go down either.

So who goes down then?

By just adrift of the pack, I meant teams in relegation places who may have survived. If teams clear of the bottom won't go down either then on your reckoning no-one will.

Relegation - you take the bottom three teams on PPG. Then you add the adjustment that reflects the chances that they might have done better than others in the last 9 games (you add on the statistical variation). Then you look at whether they are still in the relegation zone after that. If they still are then they go down and if they aren’t then they don’t. So if you don't start off in the relegation zone then you can't go down. If you start off in the relegation zone but after applying the margin for error you might reasonably have escaped then you will. So the maximum number of teams going down is the same but one or more of them might escape.

I assume that means for League 1 there would be two down (Bolton and Southend) as they are so far behind that adding the extra points to them wouldn’t make enough of a difference but that Tranmere would be saved.

For promotion you deduct the variation (promotion teams may have gone on a run of poor form). If they are still in the promotion spot then they get promoted and if they aren’t they won’t. I believe this means that Leeds and West Brom would (eg) still get promoted (even after a 6 per cent deduction they are still in the top two).

The play offs is a bit weird. They apply the rules (I am not clear how) and then everyone that could have ended in the play offs enters a competition to get the play off spot(S). I’m less clear how that works so don’t ask me!

The adjustments are that you add around 6 per cent to the ‘relegated club’ total and deduct around 6 per cent from the ‘promoted club’ total.

[NorthLondonStag]

From the proposal. This is the version that does include relegations (the other just says no relegations):

"2. The alternative version of our proposal (the “Limited Inflation Proposal”) does allow for relegations, but only where they do not fall within the statistical average margin for error of PPG. Under this version:
a) The table is calculated using a simple PPG basis;
b) There is then applied to the table the average PPG margin for error (being + 6.3 or – 5.4%);
c) Teams in a clear automatic promotion spot or automatic relegation spot even after the margin for error is applied, should be automatically promoted or relegated as applicable;
d) Teams in the play-off places or who could be in the play-off places where the margin for error is applied should be invited (but not compelled) to compete in a play-off tournament; and
e) No club only in the relegation zone within the margin for error, would be relegated.
The outcome of the Limited Inflation Proposal is very similar to the Inflation Proposals, save that as there would be relegation of teams who are materially adrift from safety (depending on what margin for error is agreed), there would be less variation in division sizes next year."

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

Well that sounds like a right recipe for a balls up.

If I understand you correctly all promotions will take place but all relegations may not. So next year we could end up with 26 teams in league 1 but only 22 in league 2. But then league 2 could be boosted by 1 as no relegation would take place as both Stevenage and Morcambe could escape the relegation zone under the adjustment rules. So on that logic, 1,2 or 3 could come up from the conference. Parties and breweries spring to mind.

[NorthLondonStag]

Well that sounds like a right recipe for a balls up.

If I understand you correctly all promotions will take place but all relegations may not. So next year we could end up with 26 teams in league 1 but only 22 in league 2. But then league 2 could be boosted by 1 as no relegation would take place as both Stevenage and Morcambe could escape the relegation zone under the adjustment rules. So on that logic, 1,2 or 3 could come up from the conference. Parties and breweries spring to mind.

It's not clear (to me) if all promotions take place or not (ie whether there's always one play-off spot or more - it just talks about a 'play-off competition').

You are right about uneven leagues. With the 'no relegation at all' option that would leave League 2 short (none down to the National League and perhaps 4 up to League 1). With the second option - two down from League 1, 4 up(?), none down to the Conference and if two up from the Conference leaves it level at 24. But then you've potentially fewer promotion spots as League 1 has got one too many teams.

The proposal acknowledges you could end up with uneven leagues (more so if the no relegation option is taken) and that this would need to be smoothed out over the coming seasons.

We don't want more teams in the higher leagues (ie reduce relegation) as that means likely fewer spots available for promotion.

Anyway the EFL could reject all of this and maybe they will.

[cassellswasmagic]

How boring!!! Just get rid of Stevenage and Macclesfield. Both are a total shower.

[part time pete]

This link gives a fair expectation of Final league positions

https://experimental361.com/2020/03/08/ ... -mar-2020/

[oldweststander]

So what will happen should the Conference decide to not bother with their play offs, would Stevenage still be relegated?

What would happen if the Conference couldn't convince the EFL of their survival into 2020/21, surely you couldn't relegate Stevenage into nothingness.

So many questions, let's hope we see answers tomorrow.

[Billy the fish]

But is it individual teams or teams occupying the relevant positions in the table, that is where did the team who were fourth with 9 games to go end up and how many points did they get in the last 9 games. There is normally a team who puts in a late sprint from around 10th to 12th and some who appear relatively safe who are relegated.

That is why it isn't fair to relegate teams who are only just adrift of the pack as anything can happen in the final quarter of a season.

Anything can happen and often does.
Our one and only season in tier two provided an amazing end of the season relegation battle.
Blackpool were 7th and if play-offs had been invented would have been looking to challenge for promotion.
When Blackpool finished their last game they were "safe!!" in 16th position, four places above the drop zone.
At the end of the season the four teams directly below Blackpool in the table gained the points required from games in hand to relegate Blackpool.
Burnley who were in the bottom three in March finished top half in 11th.

League Division Two table after close of play on 11 March 1978:
1 Tottenham Hotspur 32 16 13 3 65 32 33 45
2 Bolton Wanderers 31 19 7 5 51 27 24 45
3 Southampton 31 17 8 6 49 31 18 42
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 31 15 10 6 47 31 16 40
5 Blackburn Rovers 30 14 9 7 45 39 6 37
6 Oldham Athletic 31 11 11 9 42 41 1 33
7 Blackpool 31 12 8 11 50 41 9 32
8 Fulham 29 11 8 10 39 32 7 30
9 Luton Town 32 11 8 13 42 38 4 30
10 Crystal Palace 30 10 10 10 39 37 2 30
11 Bristol Rovers 31 9 12 10 45 53 -8 30
12 Sunderland 30 8 12 10 48 47 1 28
13 Notts County 30 9 10 11 42 48 -6 28
14 Sheffield United 30 11 6 13 44 56 -12 28
15 Stoke City 29 10 7 12 29 31 -2 27
16 Charlton Athletic 30 9 9 12 44 54 -10 27
17 Orient 29 6 13 10 30 34 -4 25
18 Cardiff City 30 8 8 14 39 59 -20 24
19 Hull City 31 7 9 15 27 36 -9 23
20 Burnley 31 7 9 15 33 51 -18 23
21 Millwall 29 5 11 13 28 41 -13 21
22 Mansfield Town 30 6 8 16 35 54 -19 20

League Division Two table after close of play on 01 May 1978
1 Bolton Wanderers 42 24 10 8 63 33 30 58
2 Southampton 42 22 13 7 70 39 31 57
3 Tottenham Hotspur 42 20 16 6 83 49 34 56
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 22 12 8 63 38 25 56
5 Blackburn Rovers 42 16 13 13 56 60 -4 45
6 Sunderland 42 14 16 12 67 59 8 44
7 Stoke City 42 16 10 16 53 49 4 42
8 Oldham Athletic 42 13 16 13 54 58 -4 42
9 Crystal Palace 42 13 15 14 50 47 3 41
10 Fulham 42 14 13 15 49 49 0 41
11 Burnley 42 15 10 17 56 64 -8 40
12 Sheffield United 42 16 8 18 62 73 -11 40
13 Luton Town 42 14 10 18 54 52 2 38
14 Notts County 41 11 16 14 53 60 -7 38
15 Bristol Rovers 42 13 12 17 61 77 -16 38
16 Blackpool 42 12 13 17 59 60 -1 37
17 Charlton Athletic 41 13 11 17 55 68 -13 37
18 Millwall 41 11 14 16 48 57 -9 36
19 Cardiff City 40 12 12 16 49 69 -20 36
20 Orient 40 9 17 14 42 49 -7 35
21 Mansfield Town 41 10 11 20 49 68 -19 31
22 Hull City 42 8 12 22 34 52 -18 28



League Division Two end of season table for 1977-78 season
1 Bolton Wanderers 42 24 10 8 63 33 30 58
2 Southampton 42 22 13 7 70 39 31 57
3 Tottenham Hotspur 42 20 16 6 83 49 34 56
4 Brighton and Hove Albion 42 22 12 8 63 38 25 56
5 Blackburn Rovers 42 16 13 13 56 60 -4 45
6 Sunderland 42 14 16 12 67 59 8 44
7 Stoke City 42 16 10 16 53 49 4 42
8 Oldham Athletic 42 13 16 13 54 58 -4 42
9 Crystal Palace 42 13 15 14 50 47 3 41
10 Fulham 42 14 13 15 49 49 0 41
11 Burnley 42 15 10 17 56 64 -8 40
12 Sheffield United 42 16 8 18 62 73 -11 40
13 Luton Town 42 14 10 18 54 52 2 38
14 Orient 42 10 18 14 43 49 -6 38
15 Notts County 42 11 16 15 54 62 -8 38
16 Millwall 42 12 14 16 49 57 -8 38
17 Charlton Athletic 42 13 12 17 55 68 -13 38
18 Bristol Rovers 42 13 12 17 61 77 -16 38
19 Cardiff City 42 13 12 17 51 71 -20 38
20 Blackpool 42 12 13 17 59 60 -1 37
21 Mansfield Town 42 10 11 21 49 69 -20 31
22 Hull City 42 8 12 22 34 52 -18 28

Just for the younger generation yep that’s Mansfield Town we used to play these teams every week , well at least for a season ..

[adamstag]

Didn’t do very well

[MTFCMusings]

Purely on a non scientific and personal level, I wouldn’t mind Macc staying up, quite enjoy that as an away day.