kevin kents tasce wrote:A perfect example of Ad hominem!
WVStag wrote:There are a few reasons why this would never happen at this club.
Number one is that we have established there isn't much high-level football knowledge at the top of the club. This is not something a purist football culture can be born out of.
The second is the re-education of our fans, which Evatt alluded to himself about the fans at Barrow. A lot of our fans simply don't get it. That's not a dig, it's just the facts. This fan base is not one that will be able to get behind a possession based system, it'd be 'stop farting about with it and get it forward' if we've not pumped it forward 360 times after 5 minutes. There are too many fans who don't understand the why's behind such a philosophy. It's hard to get the people who would just scream 'get it forward' to understand the system and get on board with it.
Bringing in 'footballers' won't pacify the fans too. It's well known we are anti-footballers and pro-workhorses. The Bishop's and Rose's get lathered in plaudits, and the Mellis', Khan's, Clements' are branded as luxuries. People can disagree, although I'm not sure why they would, if not for being in denial. It's how it's always been at Mansfield. Even if this kind of culture change occurred with us, I'm not confident our fans would have
I also completely disagree that Coughlan would be the suitable manager to bring about this kind of culture change we talk about. He is clearly not a manager who holds a possession based philosophy, it's evident by what we've seen. We don't need to hear 'well it's not his team yet is it' either, you can point to what he did and how his Rovers teams played too.
kevin kents tasce wrote:Its odd reading this board. Anyone who is involved in the game and qualified in coaching, talent ID, club management, scouting, data analysis or anything similar always seem to scoffed at by those who are still stuck in the 80's and rarely add any value to football discussion.
Sedgwick is spot on. The club needs a proper philosophy and long term plan. It's no coincidence that clubs who we used to consider as rivals are now doing really well in the divisions above us.
The obvious teams that spring to mind are Brentford and Peterborough who have very clear recruitment philosophies.
spanishstag wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Its odd reading this board. Anyone who is involved in the game and qualified in coaching, talent ID, club management, scouting, data analysis or anything similar always seem to scoffed at by those who are still stuck in the 80's and rarely add any value to football discussion.
Sedgwick is spot on. The club needs a proper philosophy and long term plan. It's no coincidence that clubs who we used to consider as rivals are now doing really well in the divisions above us.
The obvious teams that spring to mind are Brentford and Peterborough who have very clear recruitment philosophies.
Think thats why coughlans been appointed ,or is he not football savvy enough for you geniuses
garlic wrote:spanishstag wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Its odd reading this board. Anyone who is involved in the game and qualified in coaching, talent ID, club management, scouting, data analysis or anything similar always seem to scoffed at by those who are still stuck in the 80's and rarely add any value to football discussion.
Sedgwick is spot on. The club needs a proper philosophy and long term plan. It's no coincidence that clubs who we used to consider as rivals are now doing really well in the divisions above us.
The obvious teams that spring to mind are Brentford and Peterborough who have very clear recruitment philosophies.
Think thats why coughlans been appointed ,or is he not football savvy enough for you geniuses
The alternative view is that he was the first one available and no thought or consideration was given to three/four years down the line.
kevin kents tasce wrote:To answer Garlics point.
I hope GC's appointment is the start of a club philosophy, but I don't think it is.
Our list of recent managers - Cox, Murray, Evans, Flitcroft and Dempster all had differing styles of football and our transfer policy seems to have changed to suit each one. This means that with every change we end up starting from scratch again.
Look at Brenford as an example, despite numerous managers, their transfer policy has been consistent and the selection of managers has been made to suit the style of the players signed - hence their sustained success.
Another example is Exeter City, whose success is more subtle, but they regularly finish in the top 7 and regularly sell young players for handsome fee's. When Tisdale finally left they had a succession plan and they play some excellent football considering their resources.
The sacking of Flitcroft was enough to show me that there is no long term plan. He had a very good style of football and was bringing in young players and developing them too. He was all but did of Evans dead wood too.
I am clinging onto hope that the club have learned their lesson after the JD debacle.
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