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Should John Dempster be removed from position of manager?

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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Jamie » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:47 am

victor A block wrote:Actually becoming less convinced a change will now be made, unless we lose half dozen on the bounce . It's been so obvious he's the wrong man , but the time to effectively change was 8 or 9 games ago and it didn't happen . 9 points off the playoffs having played 2 games more means any new manager now will need snookers . Maybe the board are happy drifting thru the season in the bottom third . Let's see what the crowds are like in January if they keep on this path .


We're 12 points off the autos with 81 to play for, it's well within our own hands still.

The board clearly won't be happy about our position. They may be unwilling to change it but they wont be happy with how its going.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:20 am

Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


You can’t not sack dempster for massively underperforming due to worries about the next manager not doing any better. Football managers would never get sacked if teams had this mentality.

The Notts County example is just one sample. There are of course a lot of examples in the past when underachieving teams have sacked their manager and then improved under the new manager. Swindon sacked Phil Brown this time last year when despite targeting promotion, they were in a similar position as we are in now. They hired Wellens, gave him half a season or so to assess the squad and now look at them - they’re top of the league and scoring for fun.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Amber Andy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:47 am

Cleveland_Stag wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


You can’t not sack dempster for massively underperforming due to worries about the next manager not doing any better. Football managers would never get sacked if teams had this mentality.

The Notts County example is just one sample. There are of course a lot of examples in the past when underachieving teams have sacked their manager and then improved under the new manager. Swindon sacked Phil Brown this time last year when despite targeting promotion, they were in a similar position as we are in now. They hired Wellens, gave him half a season or so to assess the squad and now look at them - they’re top of the league and scoring for fun.

Strangely enough they only scored one against us.

So maybe we have done better than most away at Swindon.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby BH_Stag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:58 am

Cleveland_Stag wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


You can’t not sack dempster for massively underperforming due to worries about the next manager not doing any better. Football managers would never get sacked if teams had this mentality.

The Notts County example is just one sample. There are of course a lot of examples in the past when underachieving teams have sacked their manager and then improved under the new manager. Swindon sacked Phil Brown this time last year when despite targeting promotion, they were in a similar position as we are in now. They hired Wellens, gave him half a season or so to assess the squad and now look at them - they’re top of the league and scoring for fun.


Villa sacked Bruce and got Dean Smith in mid season, went from mid table to promotion via the playoffs, Sol went in to Macclesfield and somehow kept them up. You could pick no end of examples out where a change of manager has changed an underperforming clubs fortunes.

Our manager is not doing a good job. The clubs expectations were clearly set out as automatic promotion by the chairman and CEO - they set the standard here, but we are 9 points adrift of the playoffs having played 2 games more and massively underachieving. One decent half of football where we didn’t score changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You never know, a new manager may not take off, that’s football, but to not take action because Notts County went down is just ridiculous. With only one relegation spot this season, there has never been a more risk free time to make a change in terms of not worrying about falling through the trap door, providing we make a good, considered appointment. I think we are more likely to get embroiled in a scrap at the wrong end under Dempster than if we replaced him.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby hucknallstag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:09 am

The point being the board made the decision to appt JD with promtion being the aim? Its not very inspiring is it?
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby adamstag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:53 pm

A win percentage of 26% :shock:
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby yorkshire stag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:57 pm

Got a feeling the sands of time for JD are running low

who thinks this week ?
Our time will come
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Vice President » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:19 pm

yorkshire stag wrote:Got a feeling the sands of time for JD are running low

who thinks this week ?


I think they are waiting until the 'right' person becomes available. That said, two consecutive home defeats might also be a trigger.
Either way, I am not expecting anything this week.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby lifestags » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:22 pm

I think now is a good time to make a change with 2 cup games coming up, gives us chance to take our time with a new appointment without having to worry about the league.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Jamie » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:29 pm

yorkshire stag wrote:Got a feeling the sands of time for JD are running low

who thinks this week ?


They either need to back him or sack him and do it this week.

If they're going to give more time they need to be clear and say that. Ask for the fans to get behind the team and hope things improve sharpish. Saying nothing while we flounder amid high expectations (set by the board) is surely not a good option as things get more and more toxic.

Now is the perfect time for a change. 2 cup games and 2 weeks till we play in the league, a month to assess the squad before the window opens and ensures we maximise the league games / points left.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Dan » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:25 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


Simple. Because it couldn't possibly be any worse.


Don't be ridiculous & over dramatic of course it could be worse. Jesus Christ. :roll:
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Foresttownstag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:17 pm

Dan wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


Simple. Because it couldn't possibly be any worse.


Don't be ridiculous & over dramatic of course it could be worse. Jesus Christ. :roll:


A team with a top 3 budget, automatic promotion set objective set by the board, awful home record, awful defensive record, awful disciplinary record, not beaten a team above us in the league.

It couldn’t be much worse.

Let’s be honest we’ve been sold a dream the last few years by the board and unfortunately we’ve not delivered.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Vice President » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:35 pm

This idea that just because Notts. County changed their manager and went down, that the same thing could also happen to us is ridiculous!
If you take that premise to its logical conclusion - then no club should ever change their manager!
History has shown that all those many clubs that have changed their manager and saw a significant improvement as a result, far outweighs the solitary example of Notts. County.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Dan » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:41 pm

Foresttownstag wrote:
Dan wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


Simple. Because it couldn't possibly be any worse.


Don't be ridiculous & over dramatic of course it could be worse. Jesus Christ. :roll:


A team with a top 3 budget, automatic promotion set objective set by the board, awful home record, awful defensive record, awful disciplinary record, not beaten a team above us in the league.

It couldn’t be much worse.

Let’s be honest we’ve been sold a dream the last few years by the board and unfortunately we’ve not delivered.


:roll: I'll just leave this here for you so you can see for yourself.

https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-competiti ... gue-table/
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Cleveland_Stag » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:43 pm

Foresttownstag wrote:
Dan wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
Dan wrote:
Nottsstag100 wrote:Never wanted to be one of the fans supporting a manager outage, however with our squad this SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING,

John dempster is not the man for the job and those trying to argue he is need a reality check, why waste a whole season when we can revive it with a great managerial change?

HE NEEDS TO GO, NOW!!


How do you know it would be a change for the better? We could get someone experienced in & end up going down. Have a look up the A60 for that example.


Simple. Because it couldn't possibly be any worse.


Don't be ridiculous & over dramatic of course it could be worse. Jesus Christ. :roll:


A team with a top 3 budget, automatic promotion set objective set by the board, awful home record, awful defensive record, awful disciplinary record, not beaten a team above us in the league.

It couldn’t be much worse.

Let’s be honest we’ve been sold a dream the last few years by the board and unfortunately we’ve not delivered.


Exactly. However, nobody on here has talked about what happened to Notts County? ;)
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Foresttownstag » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:36 am

Well done Dan!

You’ve completed a post on our predicament without mentioning what happened at Notts County!

End of the day my points are valid, we are almost 1/2 way through the season...

Can’t win at home
Concede goals for fun
Poor discipline
Poor team selection/tactics
Failed to beat anyone above us in the league
Top 3 budget and we’re closer to the bottom 1 than the top 7!
9 points off the play offs having played 2 more games
Total lack of attacking threat
Complete contrast to what DF got out this lot (I’m not saying he should still be here).
21 points from 57

But you won’t see any of this from down the A60.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby adamstag » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:04 am

Has he been sacked yet?
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby malcthestag » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:10 am

Yes
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:23 am

Is that fact or opinion?
Who are you calling pedantic? I resemble that remark!
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby MTFCMusings » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:25 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Is that fact or opinion?


I think he's replying to the initial question.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby MTFCMusings » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:35 am

Carolyn was at the airport this morning on Instagram. Could be on her way back to do the deed?
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:36 am

MTFCMusings wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Is that fact or opinion?


I think he's replying to the initial question.


Ok although he has very few posts for a 10 year membership of the board so thought he could be close to the club.

We will wait with baited breath.
Who are you calling pedantic? I resemble that remark!
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Sneag » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:44 am

Another week, another failure.
Logic is lost in your cranial abatoir,
Shallow empty inside,
Sly witted and full of snide.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Sedgwick » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:54 am

Sack him Monday.... Get someone new in and have a real go against cheltenham. Then sign a bloody new defender and centre mid in Jan.

We need another Ben Whiteman to come in and sort it out.
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Re: Manager change YES OR NO...... Board poll added

Postby Woodclanger 1 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:56 am

Where's Dan when you need another debacle explaining?
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