Time to point the finger at the players?

[FarnieStag]

Have we all criticised either or both Dempster and Flitcroft too much? Shouldn't we be aiming more anger at those on the pitch? Is it time for a clear out of the players? It seems to me that we have an overpaid bunch of prima donnas with over inflated egos that don't match either their ability or work ethic. For a few years now, Mansfield has been the destination of choice for greedy players and even greedier agents. In my opinion it's time to get back to the basics with players who genuinely want to be at Field Mill and not just here for a big pay day. As yes, I'm afraid that need to be back to a Paul Cox-style mentality and perhaps even style of play (I have my tin hat on). I can't remember seeing Sandy Pate, Colin Calderwood or George Foster making fancy little 5-a-side-style passes across the back line, they just effectively got it away from the danger area quickly. The game and the club I love has bought in to this ridiculous circle of paying huge wages for lazy players who think they have Premier League ability, and paying those wages via barmy pay-on-the-day (£25+!) prices. I've been saying it for a while.. it can only end in tears!

[JLStag]

I'm afraid the game has changed now. Players aren't loyal to clubs and i can't honestly say i blame them, its a very short career so i'd go to wherever offered me the best money as well.

[adoptedstag]

I'm afraid the game has changed now. Players aren't loyal to clubs and i can't honestly say i blame them, its a very short career so i'd go to wherever offered me the best money as well.

That doesn't mean you cannot give 100% ,and give all to your employer and boss , even if it's just out of your own self respect.

[James]

I'm afraid the game has changed now. Players aren't loyal to clubs and i can't honestly say i blame them, its a very short career so i'd go to wherever offered me the best money as well.

That doesn't mean you cannot give 100% ,and give all to your employer and boss , even if it's just out of your own self respect.

I can't say there was a lack of effort last night, nor all season to be honest. The players look lost to me.

[MTFCMusings]

Players down tools when they want rid of a manager. They know it's easier to change the manager than the players.

[victor A block]

Managerial changes tend to happen when they lose the dressing room. Sadly, I'm not sure Dempster ever had it in the first place.

[oldweststander]

I question the players fitness and attitude, full stop?

[one f in mansfield]

does not matter what your profession is .If you think your manager is asking you to do a job that you feel could be done in a better , faster ,cleaner more creative or whatever then it very hard to apply yourself fully regardless of your own work ethic.

[Parkinsons Perm]

I'm afraid the game has changed now. Players aren't loyal to clubs and i can't honestly say i blame them, its a very short career so i'd go to wherever offered me the best money as well.

That doesn't mean you cannot give 100% ,and give all to your employer and boss , even if it's just out of your own self respect.

I can't say there was a lack of effort last night, nor all season to be honest. The players look lost to me.

Thats how i see it too. When we have scored you can see what it means to them.

All the chopping and changing and players out of position has created a mindset of they dont seem to know how he wants to play as he still doesnt either, it lays squarely at JDs door and hes been the architect of his own downfall

[ParisStag]

I know the players bottled it at the end of last season, but it was so close. I think they played for Flicker and really liked him. There was always talk of the dressing room being strong. I wonder whether the players are resentful that he was sacked.

[yorkshire stag]

it would appear from the outside looking in that the tail is wagging the dog

[Jamie]

Given we now cant change the players, there seems little point in flaming them all out. We've seen they can do it. We just need a manager who can get the best out of them.

[wink68]

does not matter what your profession is .If you think your manager is asking you to do a job that you feel could be done in a better , faster ,cleaner more creative or whatever then it very hard to apply yourself fully regardless of your own work ethic.

Bang on. The players obviously don't believe in the way they are being asked to play hence the performances we are seeing.

[cassellswasmagic]

I'm afraid the game has changed now. Players aren't loyal to clubs and i can't honestly say i blame them, its a very short career so i'd go to wherever offered me the best money as well.

That doesn't mean you cannot give 100% ,and give all to your employer and boss , even if it's just out of your own self respect.

I can't say there was a lack of effort last night, nor all season to be honest. The players look lost to me.

This.

[tillydog123]

Its been said in many posts players are culpable also in this.
Preston deserves a kick up the backside and has let us down again.

The main issue with JD is that nobody still, after nearly 10 games and a full pre season, have any clue what his style of football or ethos is and that's at the root of it
If it was all long ball hoof we would at least know that as we did with Cox.

Come on JD try some sort of brand at PV and see what happens it might save your neck but think its too late
A lot on here, although we are not football experts but do watch a few games did tell u that u needed a style of some sort.. good or bad!!

Can't see Steve Hymas having all the say on appointment of a manager but then again there is the easy way and the MTFC way
I sometimes think that we are destined to always be a league 2 type of club as we have been for the majority of our time in football apart from odd moments of glory and no matter what the aspiration of anybody maybe its just not going to happen.

How's that for pessimism...sorry guys...feeling a bit deflated today.. should be ok by tomorrow.
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[geoffhill]

Things not going Dempsters way so far.Not sure of his selections.Playing Bishop and Shaughnessy as defensive midfielders with nobody pulling the strings.Mellis can do that job he should have started.I know he goes missing but he can always be subbed.I would have expected Knowles to be on the bench with Maynard being injured.Hoping for better at Vale Park.I will be there cheering on the manager and players.Some of the fans last night are complete morons.It does no good slagging off another human being like some were.If they have a bad day at work feel sure they will not get abused like Dempster was.Disgraceful.

[arsene wengers coat]

it would appear from the outside looking in that the tail is wagging the dog

How? Why?

[Conker]

You can point the finger at Preston for his idiotic reckless challenge, yes but even in the first half which IMO was the best we have performed all season was still nothing special and we sat far to deep off the ball.

The tactical set up of the team after the sending off was a good example of showing how out of depth Dempster is.

[Spiritater]

You can point the finger at Preston for his idiotic reckless challenge, yes but even in the first half which IMO was the best we have performed all season was still nothing special and we sat far to deep off the ball.

The tactical set up of the team after the sending off was a good example of showing how out of depth Dempster is.

So how would you have done it?

[The One]

You can point the finger at Preston for his idiotic reckless challenge, yes but even in the first half which IMO was the best we have performed all season was still nothing special and we sat far to deep off the ball.

The tactical set up of the team after the sending off was a good example of showing how out of depth Dempster is.

So how would you have done it?

Come on Spiro, You have seen teams with ten men beat us.

[Dan]

I know the players bottled it at the end of last season, but it was so close. I think they played for Flicker and really liked him. There was always talk of the dressing room being strong. I wonder whether the players are resentful that he was sacked.

The same players who failed for him when they only needed a point you mean?!

[Spiritater]

You can point the finger at Preston for his idiotic reckless challenge, yes but even in the first half which IMO was the best we have performed all season was still nothing special and we sat far to deep off the ball.

The tactical set up of the team after the sending off was a good example of showing how out of depth Dempster is.

So how would you have done it?

Come on Spiro, You have seen teams with ten men beat us.

in general it's done by a team with bottle, a team with a modicum of spunk. usually a top side is so much better man 4 man that losing a player makes little difference. sadly from what i've seen of this shower so far they anything but a top side. for them to collapse like that against a powder puff poor utd side was scarily concerning.