It’s time John

[MTFCMAD]

We have made huge strides on and off the pitch. The infrastructure is there, new training ground, better attendances, good football. Love him or hate him, Evans at the time was a big coup for us then for us to prise Flitcroft from a bigger club like Swindon. When he was sacked I thought we would get another experienced manager to take us further but instead we took a big step backwards.
Even if Dempster goes, the board are responsible for us wasting nearly quarter of the season.
First time I've left a game early in over 20 years

The core attendance was down by a thousand from the Scunthorpe game tonight. People voting with their feet already

What was the attendance? I voted with my wallet . Did not bother with ST when he was appointed, not been right since pre season.

35 something but a hundred from Cambridge so core was 3400

800 home fans down on the Scunthorpe match but it’s to be expected for a Tuesday night game.

Would be better to look at the Orient match where there was 3800 home fans that night so probably more realistic to say 400 fans down.

[Chrisuknottm]

Attendance apart it is time to go and has been for ages. I was one of those heckled for querying his credentials. .. lack of experience....ability to manage senior pros not the kids....manage a pre season....instill any sort of style. ...hate to say to the Happy Clappers ...I/We told you so !!!!!!

[tillydog123]

Yes its bye JD clear your desk but please JR and CR and board DON'T rush to appoint take a good luck and get another Evans but with more style and panache and respect for officials.
Glover can cover a couple of games at least but guess he might go too and so maybe Cooper could have a game or 2 in the interim.

[sunray]

Sack Daryl Taylor because the team are not fit either physically or mentally.
Sack Ian Pledger because the has been no increase in goal keeping.

Use the savings to employ an experianced old manager as Director of Football to mentor JD and give the team confidence in him.

Stop playing players out of position.

Sub in the first 15 minutes of the second half.

Stop believing going into defence will win you the game, start with 3 strikers with instruction to get into the box.

[yorkshire stag]

There is no way back for the manager now sadly, the Board need today to do the right thing and we move on together.

[nick_stags]

Attendance apart it is time to go and has been for ages. I was one of those heckled for querying his credentials. .. lack of experience....ability to manage senior pros not the kids....manage a pre season....instill any sort of style. ...hate to say to the Happy Clappers ...I/We told you so !!!!!!

You don't hate to say it at all. You're overjoyed you absolute weapon.

[bobbystagsfan]

Attendance apart it is time to go and has been for ages. I was one of those heckled for querying his credentials. .. lack of experience....ability to manage senior pros not the kids....manage a pre season....instill any sort of style. ...hate to say to the Happy Clappers ...I/We told you so !!!!!!

You don't hate to say it at all. You're overjoyed you absolute weapon.

There are a few more on here like WVStag that are buzzing they're right about Dempster not being up to much so far. It's pretty embarrassing support

[Chrisuknottm]

Supporting the club doesn't mean mindless devotion and not having a legitimate logical opinion

[arsene wengers coat]

It's time John, it's time to take back control.

Absentee owners who allow the clubs to be run by front men don't do well. From the top of my head, two big disasters;

Sunderland - Ellis Short, advised by Martin Baines
Chesterfield - Dave Allen, advised by Ashley Carson

Who is advising you John? The advice you've been given and taken from your trusted inner circle, has been diabolical lately.

Take back control and maybe get some advisors who aren't quite so invested in their own agendas and can call things out on an unbiased basis.

[Sneag]

Supporting the club doesn't mean mindless devotion and not having a legitimate logical opinion

True. However when a manager is appointed, statistically speaking they are odds on to be a failure.

So you can either support that managrr from the get go and hope (against the odds) that they have success. Or you can announce to the world that they will fail based on, lack of experience, previous track record, relationship with owner and keep banging on like you have some kind of great foresight, when all you are doing is simply playing the odds.

Put simply the are miserable raspberry at every club, who will spend all season saying the manager is going to fail, and at the end of the season 20 of them will be right and will be taking delight in saying I told you so. 4 will be proven wrong and they'll go quiet until pre season, then the mantra will be, 'this manager will fail at this level because.....' and eventually they will be right.

Predicting a managerial failure in football is the easiest thing in the world.

[DazMondo]

Predicting a managerial failure in football is the easiest thing in the world.

Correct and regurgitating the same failed managers that are available, only happens in the footballing world is, just as easy. The circus continues.
Astonishing really.

[northern stag]

Supporting the club doesn't mean mindless devotion and not having a legitimate logical opinion

True. However when a manager is appointed, statistically speaking they are odds on to be a failure.

So you can either support that managrr from the get go and hope (against the odds) that they have success. Or you can announce to the world that they will fail based on, lack of experience, previous track record, relationship with owner and keep banging on like you have some kind of great foresight, when all you are doing is simply playing the odds.

Put simply the are miserable raspberry at every club, who will spend all season saying the manager is going to fail, and at the end of the season 20 of them will be right and will be taking delight in saying I told you so. 4 will be proven wrong and they'll go quiet until pre season, then the mantra will be, 'this manager will fail at this level because.....' and eventually they will be right.

Predicting a managerial failure in football is the easiest thing in the world.

Best post I’ve seen on here in ages and puts in context some of the ‘so called ‘ expert opinions

[MTFCMusings]

Tick tock

[oldweststander]

Yet again, when it comes to appointing a manager JR has got it wrong.

Cox was a horse for the course in non-league, but not good enough for the football league.

Murray was appointed and praised as an up and coming young manager, he too was not up to the job.

Evans, love him or loath him, made great strides forward but fleeced the chairman by paying too higher wages to average players, then walking out,. Mr Radford seems to be a poor judge of people.

Flitcroft, off to a bad start with, his failure to get us over the promotion line, the following season Flitcroft was hamstrung having players on big money who were not delivering. He failed to land the striker we so badly needed to finish the job, maybe because the wage budget was spent, then Radford sacked him which was disappointing from my point of view but on the other hand understandable as the chairman declared promotion was the only aim.

Dempster, need I say, is not up to the job, dealing with kids is one thing, it's easier as they look up and respect their coach, men are different. Too many of our payers look unfit, uninterested and are just going through the motions for John Dempster. There is the much talked about lack of discipline both on a d off the field, sorry JD your time is up, you need a stint as an assistant to a good experienced manager to learn the ropes.

[bellwhiff]

Attendance apart it is time to go and has been for ages. I was one of those heckled for querying his credentials. .. lack of experience....ability to manage senior pros not the kids....manage a pre season....instill any sort of style. ...hate to say to the Happy Clappers ...I/We told you so !!!!!!

You don't hate to say it at all. You're overjoyed you absolute weapon.

Exactly.

[Chrisuknottm]

Supporting the club doesn't mean mindless devotion and not having a legitimate logical opinion

True. However when a manager is appointed, statistically speaking they are odds on to be a failure.

So you can either support that managrr from the get go and hope (against the odds) that they have success. Or you can announce to the world that they will fail based on, lack of experience, previous track record, relationship with owner and keep banging on like you have some kind of great foresight, when all you are doing is simply playing the odds.

Put simply the are miserable raspberry at every club, who will spend all season saying the manager is going to fail, and at the end of the season 20 of them will be right and will be taking delight in saying I told you so. 4 will be proven wrong and they'll go quiet until pre season, then the mantra will be, 'this manager will fail at this level because.....' and eventually they will be right.

Predicting a managerial failure in football is the easiest thing in the world.

Excellent considered reasoned response Sneag and i welcome that and great opinions and discussion.

I would say in response that all the things you stated as being levelled at JD by myself and others from the start....not at the first blip....have come true very very quickly. That is the point most people against his appointment have been making that it's not the failure in itself it's all the things that have been levelled at him have actually come to pass. That's different than saying of any new manager he's going to fail.

After the way Swindon hammered us at home under S Evans I was delighted with the appointment of David Flitcroft and said so. The disappointment then was that the great football of the first half of last season didnt produce ultimate success. That's different from the opinions held on John Dempster.

Great response mate

[Sneag]

Supporting the club doesn't mean mindless devotion and not having a legitimate logical opinion

True. However when a manager is appointed, statistically speaking they are odds on to be a failure.

So you can either support that managrr from the get go and hope (against the odds) that they have success. Or you can announce to the world that they will fail based on, lack of experience, previous track record, relationship with owner and keep banging on like you have some kind of great foresight, when all you are doing is simply playing the odds.

Put simply the are miserable raspberry at every club, who will spend all season saying the manager is going to fail, and at the end of the season 20 of them will be right and will be taking delight in saying I told you so. 4 will be proven wrong and they'll go quiet until pre season, then the mantra will be, 'this manager will fail at this level because.....' and eventually they will be right.

Predicting a managerial failure in football is the easiest thing in the world.

Excellent considered reasoned response Sneag and i welcome that and great opinions and discussion.

I would say in response that all the things you stated as being levelled at JD by myself and others from the start....not at the first blip....have come true very very quickly. That is the point most people against his appointment have been making that it's not the failure in itself it's all the things that have been levelled at him have actually come to pass. That's different than saying of any new manager he's going to fail.

After the way Swindon hammered us at home under S Evans I was delighted with the appointment of David Flitcroft and said so. The disappointment then was that the great football of the first half of last season didnt produce ultimate success. That's different from the opinions held on John Dempster.

Great response mate

When JD was appointed no one could possibly 'know' if he'd be the next Eddie Howe or the next Stuart Boam.

You can trust your gut if you like but you can't 'know'. Know what I mean?

[DazMondo]

I used to work with Mr Boam and his brother after Stuart was sacked. I thought he was the worst manager we've ever had and still do, but I refrained from telling him.
Have you seen the size of his fists

[oldweststander]

Das,

Very often good players do not make good managers, can you imagine Wayne Rooney being a good manager?

Apparently Wayne does.

[adamstag]

Das,

Very often good players do not make good managers, can you imagine Wayne Rooney being a good manager?

Apparently Wayne does.

Gary Neville certainly didn't

[yorkshire stag]

really surprised we haven’t had an official statement yet!

do we need to start worrying ?

[Berryhillstagno1]

Having been to all home and away games this season, this was better last night first half because there was more energy, slightly more movement and until half time had Cambridge tied in their own half. Poor finishing in the final third was our problem on Saturday and was again tonight. Poor decision making let us down in the last three games. Exeter was by far the worst display so far, second half at Crawley was better, but no points. What happened after the sending off has left me dumbfounded. We looked energy less against a poor Cambridge side who before Saturday had not won in their last 4. Onto Vale Saturday.

[The One]

really surprised we haven’t had an official statement yet!

do we need to start worrying ?

I feel we do mate, unless alternative manager is on plane to Faro

[Sedgwick]

Port Vale is his last chance...

I have a feeling the 4-0 loss might look as bad to the board room because of the first half performance being much better and then the stupid red card that changed the game.

Win at Vale its Demps chance to put a run together.... I predict a draw and a another week of JD until we get spanked again.

[The One]

Port Vale is his last chance...

I have a feeling the 4-0 loss might look as bad to the board room because of the first half performance being much better and then the stupid red card that changed the game.

Win at Vale its Demps chance to put a run together.... I predict a draw and a another week of JD until we get spanked again.

And for that reason he needs to go now, we are chalking off games and getting behind the leading pack.