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iFollow popularity

Postby young vanish » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:00 pm

Are there any figures for how many subscribers have signed up to Stags iFollow?

. . . and how many sign up for Stags "Match Pass" for midweek games?
Binarily speaking, 10's company, 11's a crowd
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Stags 2002 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:29 pm

Doesn't answer your question but I thought the attendance on Tuesday was healthy given the midweek fixture and that it was available on ifollow for fans.

I watched both the Tranmere and Morecambe games, so could prove a good additional income for the club.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Martin Shaw » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:37 pm

if I remember correctly, EFL were due to be having a meeting in November where clubs would find out how many people having been watching the midweek games (from which the clubs get £8 of each £10 match pass), and hence how much money they have been allocated.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Sneag » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:47 pm

Stags 2002 wrote:Doesn't answer your question but I thought the attendance on Tuesday was healthy given the midweek fixture and that it was available on ifollow for fans.

I watched both the Tranmere and Morecambe games, so could prove a good additional income for the club.


Fair play to the Codheads for bringing 500+ considering how crap their season is going & it being a tenner to watch it at home.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Rob » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 am

Sneag wrote:
Stags 2002 wrote:Doesn't answer your question but I thought the attendance on Tuesday was healthy given the midweek fixture and that it was available on ifollow for fans.

I watched both the Tranmere and Morecambe games, so could prove a good additional income for the club.


Fair play to the Codheads for bringing 500+ considering how crap their season is going & it being a tenner to watch it at home.


I agree, despite not particularly liking them, they are what I think we would call a "proper" club.

Due to work I was unable to get to Mansfield in time on Tues so again used iFollow - I think for exiled fans (I admit being in Lincoln isn't very exiled!) the availability of midweek games is an absolute godsend. I have had absolutely no issues with the broadcast, you can rewind the action throughout and of course Martin and Dean bring their unique and entertaining brand of commentary. For a tenner it is definitely worth the money and the club got £8 from me it would not otherwise have received. I do not think Saturday games should ever be available and think it is a shame the system allows fans in the UK to watch games on Saturday using a relatively simple workaround.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Brinner » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:50 am

It is not easy to watch abroad as you have to pay through a foreign bank account. Most people who go on holiday for a week or so do not have a foreign account so can't watch - only listen.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Sneag » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:15 pm

Could someone on a US IP address with a US bank account sign up to watch just one game for say $13?

Like the Port Vale game next Saturday. Asking for a friend. ;)
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby spanishstag » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:14 am

Brinner wrote:It is not easy to watch abroad as you have to pay through a foreign bank account. Most people who go on holiday for a week or so do not have a foreign account so can't watch - only listen.


You do not have to pay through a foriegn bank account ,my season pass is paid at my local lloyds bank in notts ,its the adress that has to be abroad
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Chander Lear » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:58 pm

slightly controversial but would it not be more cost effective to play the game tomorrow behind closed doors, and persuade people to use the ifollow to watch the game?

As we know we'll probably get a record low crowd tomorrow, i highly doubt anyone would be bothered if they didnt watch this in the stand

Is the club even allowed to do it?
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Tre Cool » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:05 pm

Brinner wrote:It is not easy to watch abroad as you have to pay through a foreign bank account. Most people who go on holiday for a week or so do not have a foreign account so can't watch - only listen.


Is that right as I pretend I'm in the Netherlands on Saturdays using a VPN when I'm unable to make the game and I'm able to pay using my usual bank details.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby stag324 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:45 pm

I was in France a few weeks ago for the Morecambe game, signed in, paid on my credit card and it only cost 6 euros.

Paid last week and is was £10.

Don't know what I did, or how it happened but it did.

It is an excellent service and the picture quality is superb.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby mousemousemouse » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:28 pm

stag324 wrote:I was in France a few weeks ago for the Morecambe game, signed in, paid on my credit card and it only cost 6 euros.

Paid last week and is was £10.

Don't know what I did, or how it happened but it did.

It is an excellent service and the picture quality is superb.


Users abroad pay 6 euros for a monthly pass. The £10 in the UK is for each match to watch live.

Users abroad with a monthly pass can watch all the games
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Spiritater » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:26 pm

Chander Lear wrote:slightly controversial but would it not be more cost effective to play the game tomorrow behind closed doors, and persuade people to use the ifollow to watch the game?

As we know we'll probably get a record low crowd tomorrow, i highly doubt anyone would be bothered if they didnt watch this in the stand

Is the club even allowed to do it?

But wouldn't that discriminate against the poor who would have to pay £100+ pounds to buy a internet phone thingymagig then pay a tenner to watch it after going through all the rigmaroll of setting it up. I'd sooner just pay my tenner and rock up to the ground and watch it and give the (probably) few young lads a bit of backing. With a crowd in (however small) it makes it more than just a bit of a kickabout.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:49 pm

mousemousemouse wrote:
stag324 wrote:I was in France a few weeks ago for the Morecambe game, signed in, paid on my credit card and it only cost 6 euros.

Paid last week and is was £10.

Don't know what I did, or how it happened but it did.

It is an excellent service and the picture quality is superb.


Users abroad pay 6 euros for a monthly pass. The £10 in the UK is for each match to watch live.

Users abroad with a monthly pass can watch all the games


To clarify: for overseas viewers, the cost of a match pass is 6 euros. For UK viewers (midweek games only), the cost of a match pass is £10.

The monthly pass and annual pass for overseas viewers is no longer available. The cost was the equivalent of £110 annual.

My personal opinion is that the cost for overseas viewers is too cheap. The match pass should be the same price as a match pass for UK viewers. I would expect this anomaly to be amended.
And the cost of the yearly pass for overseas viewers of £110 (or about £2.20 for each of approx 50 matches) was ridiculously low. I would guess this is the reason that option has now been removed. Again just my personal opinion.

The clubs are due to be having a meeting with EFL this month, including to discuss revenue (remember £8 of the £10 match pass goes to the club selling the match pass), and I'd be surprised if the above points aren't a major talking point.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby sunray » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:31 pm

Presumably the £8 pounds goes to the home club staging the game. So Mansfield would get the Grimsby fans logins.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Stags 2002 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:51 pm

sunray wrote:Presumably the £8 pounds goes to the home club staging the game. So Mansfield would get the Grimsby fans logins.


Martin said the club selling the match pass gets the revenue.

Grimsby fans would be generating revenue to Grimsby fc.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Martin Shaw » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:54 am

Rebel clubs reject shorter TV proposal from EFL in bid to prevent breakaway league
Matt Hughes, Deputy Football Correspondent
November 15 2018
The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rebe ... -3r3qz78ph

The 15 Championship clubs refusing to sign a five-year television contract with Sky Sports have rejected a compromise proposal from the EFL to sign a three-year deal instead.

In their letter to the EFL last week containing the threat to form a breakaway league, the clubs referenced the length of the proposed £590 million deal in a changing media landscape as one reason for their opposition to Sky’s offer but it appears they are unwilling to accept a shorter contract either. Some clubs are considering calling for the resignation of Shaun Harvey, the EFL chief executive, although he is believed to retain the support of the EFL board.

Following heated meetings last week, Harvey is understood to have canvassed opinion as to whether the 15 clubs would accept a three-year deal at £119 million a year and received a negative response. Sky is concerned about the ill feeling towards a package that was provisionally agreed in September last year.

The EFL is taking legal advice about the two scenarios, which, after the collapse of the compromise agreement, amount to a choice of accepting or rejecting the Sky offer before a deadline of 4pm on Monday. The 15 clubs want to reopen the tender process and appoint a task force to lead a commercial review but have yet to receive an offer from an alternative broadcaster.

Those Championship clubs have been warned that if the Sky deal is accepted and they form a breakaway league, they could lose their entitlement to play in the Carabao Cup, which accounts for 35 per cent of the £119 million on offer, and would not be guaranteed promotion to the Premier League.

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Championship clubs led by Leeds and Derby threaten EFL breakaway in row over TV rights
Matt Hughes, Deputy Football Correspondent
November 14 2018
The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cham ... -zxw9tw2lc

A majority of the Championship’s 24 clubs have written to the EFL threatening to form a breakaway league if the board signs a £590 million television deal with Sky Sports for the 2019-2024 seasons.

The Times has seen documents sent by 15 clubs to Debbie Jevans, the EFL interim chairwoman, last week in which they warn of “drastic action” if their demands to reject the proposed Sky deal and return to the market are not met.

The letter makes clear that they are threatening to leave the EFL by referencing an anonymous survey of 16 clubs conducted last Tuesday in which all those present were asked whether they would be willing to “leave the EFL and form a new League, eg PL2”.

Andrea Radrizzani, the Leeds United owner, called for the creation of a Premier League 2 last month and he is understood to be the driving force behind the clubs’ rebellion alongside Mel Morris, the Derby County owner.

In a letter sent by the EFL to all the Championship clubs last Friday updating them on the situation, the extent of the threat to the existing league structure is made clear. “While the letter received from a number of clubs only referred to ‘more drastic action’ if an agreement [with Sky] was reached, it was made clear during Tuesday’s meeting that the threat of a breakaway had been discussed,” the EFL wrote.

Earlier in the week the EFL had received the letter from 15 Championship clubs containing the threat of a breakaway. The letter spelt out the clubs’ opposition to “entering into a binding multi-year agreement with Sky” and their proposal to create “a new task force comprising certain Championship club owners and/or senior executives” to pursue a new commercial strategy.

In addition to the leading duo, the 15 signatories are believed to include Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Norwich City, Reading, Preston North End, Nottingham Forest, Middlesbrough, Swansea City and Birmingham City, with smaller clubs such as Rotherham United and Millwall siding with the EFL. Brentford are understood to be the only club of the 16 who attended the meeting not to support the threat to leave the EFL.

The Championship rebels believe that the deal on offer from Sky, which at £119 million per year is an increase on the existing contract of £88 million a season, undervalues their television rights and they want the EFL to reopen the tender process.

Such is the strength of feeling that 16 Championship clubs met in secret last Tuesday morning before a planned meeting with the EFL later that day.

The organisers of the first meeting insist that all 24 Championship clubs were invited, with some choosing not to attend, while others have claimed that they were lured to the meeting under false pretences.

“A significant number of Championship clubs who deliver the majority of the EFL TV audiences were sufficiently concerned about signing this agreement that they felt compelled to convene outside the formal meeting,” the clubs wrote to the EFL. “Furthermore, in this meeting — when surveyed anonymously — almost all attendees expressed the view that if the EFL were unwilling to give these clubs more involvement in the process of commercialising their rights, they would, in extremis, be forced to contemplate more drastic action.”

The survey contained nine multiple-choice questions, with question five asking: “If the only way to control our future direction as a league, achieve fair value for our media rights and league sponsorship deals required us to leave the EFL and form a new League, eg PL2, would you be in support?” The responses available were “a. No, we would not support a breakaway league under any circumstances” and “b. Yes, we would support a breakaway league if it was necessary/advantageous.”

Hammering home their intentions, question six asked: “If you answered no to supporting a breakaway league, but the majority of Championship clubs proceeded to create a breakaway league which adequately addressed the frustrations, concerns, media/sponsorship rights revenues and governances issues discussed, would you then change your stance?” Again the choice of answers was stark, being “a. No, we would still remain with the EFL” and “b. Yes, we would join the breakaway league if it offered better terms and conditions”.

The EFL held an emergency meeting on Monday with all the Championship clubs, which broke up without resolution. The EFL has secured an extension to its provisional agreement with Sky until next week, but the contract must be signed by 4pm on Monday, with the broadcaster understood to be concerned by the stand-off.

The EFL board has the authority to sign the contract without the support of the biggest Championship clubs, as those in League One and League Two are all in favour. While they are planning for both scenarios, they have made it clear that their preference remains to complete the deal with Sky, which was provisionally agreed in September 2017.

There is no other offer on the table from any other broadcaster. The contract is due to start next season.

The disgruntled Championship clubs have yet to contact the Premier League, who would have to endorse the creation of a PL2 and sanction promotion and relegation. The Premier League is believed to be opposed to such a project.

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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Brinner » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:36 am

Further to my recent post, if you are a UK customer, then you cannot pay to watch a match when you are on holiday abroad. See email below from ifollow:

Hello,

The reason why you will not be able to purchase a match pass abroad is simply because it wont work for UK customers with UK billing address and subscriptions.

But it will work within the UK if you purchase a UK pass.


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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby laneymtfc » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:37 am

Brinner wrote:Further to my recent post, if you are a UK customer, then you cannot pay to watch a match when you are on holiday abroad. See email below from ifollow:

Hello,

The reason why you will not be able to purchase a match pass abroad is simply because it wont work for UK customers with UK billing address and subscriptions.

But it will work within the UK if you purchase a UK pass.


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I was in Amsterdam for Crawley on the last day of last season and I watched that via Iplayer?
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Early kick off.

Postby RickyJ » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:03 pm

To my understanding - iFollow or any broadcaster are not allowed to show Saturday football from 1445hrs - 1715hrs. Where does this leave Stags 1300hrs kick offs?
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Re: Early kick off.

Postby Martin Shaw » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:17 pm

RickyJ wrote:To my understanding - iFollow or any broadcaster are not allowed to show Saturday football from 1445hrs - 1715hrs. Where does this leave Stags 1300hrs kick offs?

you are correct about football being shown in the UK. However 1300 kick offs cannot be shown in the UK on iFollow either.
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Re: Early kick off.

Postby gazza1988 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:42 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
RickyJ wrote:To my understanding - iFollow or any broadcaster are not allowed to show Saturday football from 1445hrs - 1715hrs. Where does this leave Stags 1300hrs kick offs?

you are correct about football being shown in the UK. However 1300 kick offs cannot be shown in the UK on iFollow either.


I believe that is because sky have the rights to show live EFL football on a weekend in the UK. Hence why overseas can stream it and ifollow can stream to the UK for midweek games.
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby Tre Cool » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:05 pm

This is veey unfair though as how often does a league 2 match get shown on Sky Sports? When its international weekend if we're lucky. Vast majority of supporters will rarely see their team live on tv so why not open it up to uk subscribers. bet365 show live streams sometimes with a stipulation that they cannot allow full screen viewing. (Ways around that though)
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby gazza1988 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:31 pm

We would lose out on TV money that way. Sky pay millions for the rights to show EFL games. This is divided between all EFL clubs and a pot of money to go to clubs being shown live. At the end of the day why would sky allow another broadcaster to gain a profit off something that they paid so much for?
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Re: iFollow popularity

Postby halifaxstag » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:48 pm

Tre Cool wrote:This is veey unfair though as how often does a league 2 match get shown on Sky Sports? When its international weekend if we're lucky. Vast majority of supporters will rarely see their team live on tv so why not open it up to uk subscribers. bet365 show live streams sometimes with a stipulation that they cannot allow full screen viewing. (Ways around that though)

It’s not really unfair. Most clubs outside the Premier League make most of their income from gate receipts. If all games were freely available to view online then attendances at EFL games would vastly decrease. Even having Premier League games available to stream from overseas sources already has an effect although probably not as big an effect as the increased live coverage of the Premier League on Saturdays starting 25 years ago.
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