Saturday Night Striker Questions

[Amber Andy]

I was thinking the same Rob. However, his current injury and recovery time hasn’t helped matters.

[Martin Shaw]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

[cassellswasmagic]

We should be thinking of a striker to take the burden away from Swan (our only striker)…we need backup or someone better imo. Other clubs near the top will be strengthening if they can. I still think Swan is good for this level. Gale isn’t imo…not from what I’ve seen.

[Johnny H]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

[stagmanrob]

[Dan]

Dan, whatever you think Evan's might have done, he didn't achieve promotion whilst managing the stags..... fact. I don't think anyone on here "big ups" DF. My opinion is that he shouldn't have been sacked. I can't form an opinion on information I don't know ! What I don't understand, is why you perpetually defend someone you (in your own words) "dispise".
I am of the opinion we are very lucky to have the manager we currently have and I hope John Radford and the board renew his contract whether we are promoted or not.

So you would've kept Flitcroft here to complete his hat trick of failures, just like I said you would.

I don't "perpetually defend" anyone, I just state facts that are actual facts (rather than opinions that are stated as facts). I'm not sure where he stands but I bet Evans is above all of our recent managers in his success rate, yet people wouldn't have him back despite being a proven winner & not a bottler. It is possible to despise someone yet begrudgingly agree to their achievements you know, you & a few others on here should try it sometimes.

I do agree we are lucky to have NC but agree with Chimney that if he doesn't take us up this season then he has failed and he will be sacked especially after the start we have had.

[Amber Andy]

Dan, whatever you think Evan's might have done, he didn't achieve promotion whilst managing the stags..... fact. I don't think anyone on here "big ups" DF. My opinion is that he shouldn't have been sacked. I can't form an opinion on information I don't know ! What I don't understand, is why you perpetually defend someone you (in your own words) "dispise".
I am of the opinion we are very lucky to have the manager we currently have and I hope John Radford and the board renew his contract whether we are promoted or not.

So you would've kept Flitcroft here to complete his hat trick of failures, just like I said you would.

I don't "perpetually defend" anyone, I just state facts that are actual facts (rather than opinions that are stated as facts). I'm not sure where he stands but I bet Evans is above all of our recent managers in his success rate, yet people wouldn't have him back despite being a proven winner & not a bottler. It is possible to despise someone yet begrudgingly agree to their achievements you know, you & a few others on here should try it sometimes.

I do agree we are lucky to have NC but agree with Chimney that if he doesn't take us up this season then he has failed and he will be sacked especially after the start we have had.

Yes, the football his team played at times was some of the best I've seen at the One Call, way ahead of Evans.

Maybe.... but not with us........ fact.

That's good, but be careful what you wish for.

TIME TO MOVE ON.

[Beyond The Pale]

could someone please lead me to the striker chat in this thread? thank you

Yep. Thought i'd have a look & it's another Dan loves Steve Evans / hates David Flitcroft hijack!

Thanks for the private message telling me to bore off Dan, you could've put it in the thread couldn't you? - Glad you've taken my tongue in cheek comment in good spirit.

Have a jolly Christmas won't you

[Dan]

could someone please lead me to the striker chat in this thread? thank you

Yep. Thought i'd have a look & it's another Dan loves Steve Evans / hates David Flitcroft hijack!

Thanks for the private message telling me to bore off Dan, you could've put it in the thread couldn't you? - Glad you've taken my tongue in cheek comment in good spirit.

Have a jolly Christmas won't you

Grass.

[gazza1988]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

The thing with this is, like with Owen Mason this season, if he returned in Feb he would be ineligible to play for us for the rest of the season.

Basically it is either we loan him out for ~6 months or keep him here.

Unless we can get better for the same wage he is on then he might as well stay here and gain league 2 experience.

[Amber Andy]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

The thing with this is, like with Owen Mason this season, if he returned in Feb he would be ineligible to play for us for the rest of the season.

Basically it is either we loan him out for ~6 months or keep him here.

Unless we can get better for the same wage he is on then he might as well stay here and gain league 2 experience.

Any loan deal would have to be to the end of the season and we would have to bring a striker in.

[eggy]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

The thing with this is, like with Owen Mason this season, if he returned in Feb he would be ineligible to play for us for the rest of the season.

Basically it is either we loan him out for ~6 months or keep him here.

Unless we can get better for the same wage he is on then he might as well stay here and gain league 2 experience.

Are you sure about that Gazza? My understanding of the loan rules are that if Gale went on a "short-term" loan to a non-league club, he'd be able to play for us whenever he came back. Mason's was a "long-term" loan, it just finished at the end of November because that's when the Irish season finishes, hence he can't play until our next transfer window opens.

[gazza1988]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

The thing with this is, like with Owen Mason this season, if he returned in Feb he would be ineligible to play for us for the rest of the season.

Basically it is either we loan him out for ~6 months or keep him here.

Unless we can get better for the same wage he is on then he might as well stay here and gain league 2 experience.

Are you sure about that Gazza? My understanding of the loan rules are that if Gale went on a "short-term" loan to a non-league club, he'd be able to play for us whenever he came back. Mason's was a "long-term" loan, it just finished at the end of November because that's when the Irish season finishes, hence he can't play until our next transfer window opens.

I'm not 100% sure.

Does Gale need to be registered? Is it u21 (or u23) and they don't need to be registered? He turns 22 in a couple of weeks.

If Gale has to be registered then he won't be able to play for us because the registration would need to go through. I don't think the length of loan matters. You have to register players over a certain age, the squad registration window closes when the transfer window closes. You can only add a player after this if they were a free agent and you have a slot spare.

If he doesn't need to be registered this season then it would be plausible he could play because youth and keepers don't need to be registered. In Owen Masons case I think it's because it is an international transfer. Or it applies to all ages.

[eggy]

Gale was 21 at the start of the calendar year so he would have to be registered

[Rob]

yes Gale could go on loan to non-league after January

If we are still in the mix come mid-end January (And I am sure we will be), it would be a risk to loan him out, with our injury record he may still be needed.
Although if he went CNorth or CSth I am sure we could recall him after 28 days....i.e end of Feb

The thing with this is, like with Owen Mason this season, if he returned in Feb he would be ineligible to play for us for the rest of the season.

Basically it is either we loan him out for ~6 months or keep him here.

Unless we can get better for the same wage he is on then he might as well stay here and gain league 2 experience.

Are you sure about that Gazza? My understanding of the loan rules are that if Gale went on a "short-term" loan to a non-league club, he'd be able to play for us whenever he came back. Mason's was a "long-term" loan, it just finished at the end of November because that's when the Irish season finishes, hence he can't play until our next transfer window opens.

I'm not 100% sure.

Does Gale need to be registered? Is it u21 (or u23) and they don't need to be registered? He turns 22 in a couple of weeks.

If Gale has to be registered then he won't be able to play for us because the registration would need to go through. I don't think the length of loan matters. You have to register players over a certain age, the squad registration window closes when the transfer window closes. You can only add a player after this if they were a free agent and you have a slot spare.

If he doesn't need to be registered this season then it would be plausible he could play because youth and keepers don't need to be registered. In Owen Masons case I think it's because it is an international transfer. Or it applies to all ages.

Surely he could be registered then loaned out, once loaned out I would imagine he would not count as a registered player until he returned, though I'm not sure to be honest!

I would imagine if we can find a club for him, O'Toole could well be loaned out or maybe even released.

[Beyond The Pale]

could someone please lead me to the striker chat in this thread? thank you

Yep. Thought i'd have a look & it's another Dan loves Steve Evans / hates David Flitcroft hijack!

Thanks for the private message telling me to bore off Dan, you could've put it in the thread couldn't you? - Glad you've taken my tongue in cheek comment in good spirit.

Have a jolly Christmas won't you

Grass.

Really? Why couldn't you just say bore off on here? I thought you were better than cheap shots, especially over a throw away comment by myself.

I'll leave it at that.

[bear 73]

Striker oh how all teams want a top striker, but they cost and our transfer record of £150-000 would not temp a club to sell a asset in January.
So we have a problem Akins-Bowery are a link from midfield to attack.
our main strike force on paper are Gale -Swan-Oates.
To win football matches we need goals, and after 19 games this is our weak point, we will get them from our midfield and link players, with defenders also chipping in.
But Swan =Oates and Gale have not been the cutting edge we need,
Unless we break the transfer budget to about £500-000 January is a expensive time, and strikers are in demand,
With some players leaving on loan or permanent, we could afford a fringe loan from Championship or premier league.
Meanwhile our position after the Xmas games will determine our needs

[vicar_jeremiah]

Striker oh how all teams want a top striker, but they cost and our transfer record of £150-000 would not temp a club to sell a asset in January.
So we have a problem Akins-Bowery are a link from midfield to attack.
our main strike force on paper are Gale -Swan-Oates.
To win football matches we need goals, and after 19 games this is our weak point, we will get them from our midfield and link players, with defenders also chipping in.
But Swan =Oates and Gale have not been the cutting edge we need,
Unless we break the transfer budget to about £500-000 January is a expensive time, and strikers are in demand,
With some players leaving on loan or permanent, we could afford a fringe loan from Championship or premier league.
Meanwhile our position after the Xmas games will determine our needs

Its a matter of opinion of course but mine is that our needs are already determined. I don't feel there are enough goals in our strikers to give us a top three position. If we don't get another and get automatic then I will hold my hands up and party like everyone else

[Chrisuknottm]

Striker oh how all teams want a top striker, but they cost and our transfer record of £150-000 would not temp a club to sell a asset in January.
So we have a problem Akins-Bowery are a link from midfield to attack.
our main strike force on paper are Gale -Swan-Oates.
To win football matches we need goals, and after 19 games this is our weak point, we will get them from our midfield and link players, with defenders also chipping in.
But Swan =Oates and Gale have not been the cutting edge we need,
Unless we break the transfer budget to about £500-000 January is a expensive time, and strikers are in demand,
With some players leaving on loan or permanent, we could afford a fringe loan from Championship or premier league.
Meanwhile our position after the Xmas games will determine our needs

You mean like Wrexham invested and speculated with Mullin and to a lesser degree Notts did with Longstaff and look how those two have delivered. Sometimes you just have to go for it although I totally accept its Mr Radfords money not mine. We dont need Christmas to determine our needs Bear.....the need is obvious to everyone but the In Nigel We Trust Brigade.

[Amber Andy]

Striker oh how all teams want a top striker, but they cost and our transfer record of £150-000 would not temp a club to sell a asset in January.
So we have a problem Akins-Bowery are a link from midfield to attack.
our main strike force on paper are Gale -Swan-Oates.
To win football matches we need goals, and after 19 games this is our weak point, we will get them from our midfield and link players, with defenders also chipping in.
But Swan =Oates and Gale have not been the cutting edge we need,
Unless we break the transfer budget to about £500-000 January is a expensive time, and strikers are in demand,
With some players leaving on loan or permanent, we could afford a fringe loan from Championship or premier league.
Meanwhile our position after the Xmas games will determine our needs

You mean like Wrexham invested and speculated with Mullin and to a lesser degree Notts did with Longstaff and look how those two have delivered. Sometimes you just have to go for it although I totally accept its Mr Radfords money not mine. We dont need Christmas to determine our needs Bear.....the need is obvious to everyone but the In Nigel We Trust Brigade.

I would go for Armstrong at Harrogate, but as bear rightly says, prices are inflated in January. To layout £150k + would be a gamble and put the club in financial difficulties if unsuccessful. NC is not the sort of manager to gung ho and rightly so. I think we will get a loan dependant on one of ours going out.

[daddycool]

You either buy one of the Non league top scorers ,loan from above or try and lure a prover league 1 or two to join us .

[The One]

You either buy one of the Non league top scorers ,loan from above or try and lure a prover league 1 or two to join us .

Joan ?

[georgefostersbeard]

loan

[gazza1988]

We've already paid a fee for a striker from a premier league club with some league 2 experience.

If he's not the answer then why would another young striker be any different?

Swan is slowly getting back to match fitness and we want rid for another lad who probably hasn't got many minutes either.

[Dave Wayne]

Striker oh how all teams want a top striker, but they cost and our transfer record of £150-000 would not temp a club to sell a asset in January.
So we have a problem Akins-Bowery are a link from midfield to attack.
our main strike force on paper are Gale -Swan-Oates.
To win football matches we need goals, and after 19 games this is our weak point, we will get them from our midfield and link players, with defenders also chipping in.
But Swan =Oates and Gale have not been the cutting edge we need,
Unless we break the transfer budget to about £500-000 January is a expensive time, and strikers are in demand,
With some players leaving on loan or permanent, we could afford a fringe loan from Championship or premier league.
Meanwhile our position after the Xmas games will determine our needs

You mean like Wrexham invested and speculated with Mullin and to a lesser degree Notts did with Longstaff and look how those two have delivered. Sometimes you just have to go for it although I totally accept its Mr Radfords money not mine. We dont need Christmas to determine our needs Bear.....the need is obvious to everyone but the In Nigel We Trust Brigade.

Interesting last line. If we were struggling at the bottom of the league, even in mid table, I could understand that people may have lost trust in our manager. However, we are currently sitting 4th with a game in hand, which if we won it would put us in 2nd place just 3 points off the lead. We have lost just once in 19 league matches and have the 2nd best GD in the division.
I am struggling to understand how you consider being a member of the 'brigade' that has trust in a manager who has built a squad and managed the tactics to get us into that position is in any way derogatory.
I really do not understand how any supporter of this club, especially one who has seen the Haslam years and the Conference years, is sitting there looking for negatives.
He has put together a squad to get us in this position, and has been highly praised for his dealings in the last couple of transfer windows for the way he has successfully plugged the gaps in the squad. We know he isn't a manager full of bluster and plays his cards close to his chest. Even if he is looking at striker options he isn't going to shout it from the rooftops a month before the window opens.
Sit back and enjoy the ride. This is our best league season so far in over 20 years. These moments don't come around very often so enjoy them while you can, instead of worrying about the 'what ifs'.