MTFCMusings wrote:I hear what you're saying Sedgy, but it can also be a bit of a myth that managers need time to make a club a success.
Mark Bonner, in his first managerial job, looks like he is going to get Cambridge promoted. Based on their ppg last season, they would have finished a full season on 56 points. We could end up with a better tally, but in the worst case scenario not far behind. This season they will finish 77 and 83 points.
Mike Duff took over Cheltenham in Sept 2018 and led them to 16th in his first season, with 57 points (again, close to our final tally this season). They were set for 82 points the following season when it was curtailed, and lost in the play-offs. Another example that the type of improvement we are looking for is possible. Of course, this season they have been promoted and will finish with somewhere between 78 and 87 points.
Ian Evatt is looking like he will get Bolton up in one season.
Derek Adams took over Morecambe in November 2019, and was on track for 40 points at the time the season was curtailed. A much lower total than we have managed this term. This season, they will finish 72-78pts. A massive improvement, from a much more position than we are currently in, and with a much lower budget.
So, there is plenty of evidence that a good manager can rapidly improve a team within a season and a half. There is no reason why people should not be expecting a play-off tilt.
bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
Birminghamstag10 wrote:Thankfully we've a CEO and Owners that won't listen to those fans who'll be moaning if we're 11th come end of September.
This appointment is different; it's not the gamble type appointment that JD and (arguably) GC were. Here is a man who's been there and done it in the lower league. Let's give him the time to do what he's proven he can do.
Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Dan wrote:GC is on the managerial shortlist for Donny Rovers.
Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Challenging is different to achieving. As long as we improve significantly I will be happy.lifestags wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Clough has repeatedly said if he gets his number 1 targets then we will be challenging. Even yesterday he said 1st target of securing safety has been achieved, now its about getting a group together that can be up there next season.
lifestags wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Clough has repeatedly said if he gets his number 1 targets then we will be challenging. Even yesterday he said 1st target of securing safety has been achieved, now its about getting a group together that can be up there next season.
Sedgwick wrote:lifestags wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Clough has repeatedly said if he gets his number 1 targets then we will be challenging. Even yesterday he said 1st target of securing safety has been achieved, now its about getting a group together that can be up there next season.
Yes and if were not challenging do you want to sack him also? that's the point. He has said himself you need time
Sedgwick wrote:lifestags wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bellwhiff wrote:NC doesn’t need time. I expect us to be right up there next season
He said differently himself.
Clough has repeatedly said if he gets his number 1 targets then we will be challenging. Even yesterday he said 1st target of securing safety has been achieved, now its about getting a group together that can be up there next season.
Yes and if were not challenging do you want to sack him also? that's the point. He has said himself you need time
part time pete wrote:The only reason, if we don’t get into top three next season, will be that young Nige was unable to get the players he wanted.
If this did happen then it might not be his fault.
bear 73 wrote:Everybody starts the season with expectations and being realistic is hard, this management team came in to avoid relegation and assess the clubs assets, and we can be satisfied this has been achieved, so next season we must do better, each fan will have their own expectations, my own is to expect 10 points more than this season, this is progress.
44 games = 62 points, 46 games = ?? personally looking at top 10 over 46 games and hoping for better, but would be happy watching Mansfield evolve into a force when going into league 1. making stability and progress the bench mark.
Just shows you how reliable xG is.part time pete wrote:xG says that we should be 21 points above what we are now, so I suggest this should be the target for next season.
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