chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.
Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.
Birminghamstag10 wrote:it's a non starter from a purely ethical perspective.
Dave Wayne wrote:The government have laid out a vaccination schedule based on risk with medical staff, the elderly, and the vulnerable top of the list, and then filtering down by age groups.
There are currently issues in the roll out of the vaccine due to shortages of glass vials for delivering it.
If you start bringing in 'exceptions' that can jump the queue, where does it stop ?
Footballers first, then Rugby, Cricket, and various other professional sports ?
Then do we move on to frontline workers ? Essential retail staff ? Police ? Public Transport workers ? Government ministers ?
Before we knew it there would be so many 'exceptions' that the elderly wouldn't be getting a look in.
The testing of footballers is a great idea to reduce the risk, and should have been done right from the start, but prioritising them for vaccination when they are generally young, fit and healthy would be close to eugenics.
old ram stag wrote:chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.
Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.
Will season ticket holders get it first, followed by Ssa members then general jab?
one f in mansfield wrote:old ram stag wrote:chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.
Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.
Will season ticket holders get it first, followed by Ssa members then general jab?
totally agree Old Ram Stag
Post of the year so far.
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
Dan wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
I think life in general is like that now.
Dave Wayne wrote:Dan wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
I think life in general is like that now.
Maybe so, but it doesn't make it right, and in the situation we are in now we need to work together as a human race rather than everyone assuming they are more important than somebody else.
Dave Wayne wrote:The government have laid out a vaccination schedule based on risk with medical staff, the elderly, and the vulnerable top of the list, and then filtering down by age groups.
There are currently issues in the roll out of the vaccine due to shortages of glass vials for delivering it.
If you start bringing in 'exceptions' that can jump the queue, where does it stop ?
Footballers first, then Rugby, Cricket, and various other professional sports ?
Then do we move on to frontline workers ? Essential retail staff ? Police ? Public Transport workers ? Government ministers ?
Before we knew it there would be so many 'exceptions' that the elderly wouldn't be getting a look in.
The testing of footballers is a great idea to reduce the risk, and should have been done right from the start, but prioritising them for vaccination when they are generally young, fit and healthy would be close to eugenics.
Birminghamstag10 wrote:it's a non starter from a purely ethical perspective.
wink68 wrote:Vaccinate your star striker who is a young fit lad and may not even show any symptoms and not your granny who will be very ill or probably die. Anyone even thinking this should be ashamed of themselves. There's an order of vaccination set out for a reason. No matter how rich you are you can't jump the queue and so it should be.
Amber Andy wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
Well said Dave.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?
It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.
Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
Well said Dave.
But that's not what Dyche or I said is it. If the FA somehow bought 10k doses for pro players and administered it. This would be in addition to the NHS. Not Joe Public bidding for jabs mate.
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