tillydog123 wrote:4 games left for GC
360 minutes to many.
tillydog123 wrote:4 games left for GC
adamstag wrote:yorkstag wrote:Rob wrote:Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.
Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.
Factually that is difficult to argue with
Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?
Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?
Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.
He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so
Big yella wrote:bellwhiff wrote:No to Clough. What’s he done since he brought Burton up ?
Well other than take Burton into the Championship, and keep them there for a second season, which we've never done, nothing.
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:yorkstag wrote:Rob wrote:Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.
Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.
Factually that is difficult to argue with
Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?
Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?
Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.
He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so
We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?
This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:yorkstag wrote:Rob wrote:Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.
Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.
Factually that is difficult to argue with
Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?
Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?
Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.
He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so
We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?
This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:yorkstag wrote:Rob wrote:Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.
Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.
Factually that is difficult to argue with
Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?
Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?
Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.
He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so
We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?
This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.
MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
Blackburn Stag wrote:Thought it was completely wrong to sack him in the 1st place and hindsight not making me feel any different. Would love Flitcroft back.
MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
DogsDoDahs wrote:Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:yorkstag wrote:Rob wrote:
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.
Factually that is difficult to argue with
Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?
Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?
Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.
He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so
We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?
This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.
The DF lovers go on and on about his style of football and he just lost a few games.
It was not always the players fault we did not get enough points to win promotion, it was the DFs live match decisions that cost us dozens of points. Early in the season in October 2018 his decision making was negative and expensive and cost us dearly. Anybody supporting stags at the Bury away game that finished 2-2 will remember his tactics. To remind those with a tainted memory stags were winning 1-2 with seven minutes of normal time to play. DF takes off Danny rose having earlier took off Tyler walker leaving us with no strikers on the pitch AT ALL and playing an 11 man defense. Not surprisingly we lost the three points to a late Maynard equaliser that a two year old child could see coming. We were not playing good fluid football and it was not a pleasure to watch. I know i was there and witnessed the fans reaction leaving the ground. We were 11 games into the season and fans were not happy with DF and his crap tactics. Nothing changes really does it. Its MTFC and league two get used to it and forget DF for good.
victor A block wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
You're assuming we have 40 games left. I don't think that can be taken for granted in the current climate . We can't aford to be playing catch up to survive when no one knows where the finish line is .
MTFCMusings wrote:victor A block wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
You're assuming we have 40 games left. I don't think that can be taken for granted in the current climate . We can't aford to be playing catch up to survive when no one knows where the finish line is .
The PPG method won’t be applied unless the a big majority of games have been played.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Clough or Clarke, gotta be.
We won't get Flitcroft because it would mean JR having to publicly accept he was wrong and probably having to choose between Flitcroft and Hymas.
It was common knowledge Hymas and Flitcroft didn't get on and Hymas had agendas against Flitcroft.
I think Hymas is a terrible ambassador for the club and can't see what he brings to the table but, but JR will never put himself in a position where he has to choose between the two.
Amber Andy wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
However, the signs of relegation are there plainly for everyone to see. Where is a win coming from ? (No wins so far this season in all competitions). A team with no confidence. A team that can't defend. A team that can't finish chances. A team that is overrun in midfield. And a team that cannot be strengthened until January.
adamstag wrote:No, I don’t buy it.
There’s no reference in there to his lack of ability of creating a plan b to his tactics. He was found out and didn’t have a plan and at the time the decision was correct to get rid of him.
The choice on who got took on afterwards is a different matter.
You reference us playing newport, we shouldn’t been playing newport in the playoffs in the first place, it was all part of the choke.
The argument has been done to death and here we are once month.
He and his players did choke, it’s not drivel, it’s fact.
DogsDoDahs wrote:
The DF lovers go on and on about his style of football and he just lost a few games.
It was not always the players fault we did not get enough points to win promotion, it was the DFs live match decisions that cost us dozens of points. Early in the season in October 2018 his decision making was negative and expensive and cost us dearly. Anybody supporting stags at the Bury away game that finished 2-2 will remember his tactics. To remind those with a tainted memory stags were winning 1-2 with seven minutes of normal time to play. DF takes off Danny rose having earlier took off Tyler walker leaving us with no strikers on the pitch AT ALL and playing an 11 man defense. Not surprisingly we lost the three points to a late Maynard equaliser that a two year old child could see coming. We were not playing good fluid football and it was not a pleasure to watch. I know i was there and witnessed the fans reaction leaving the ground. We were 11 games into the season and fans were not happy with DF and his crap tactics. Nothing changes really does it. Its MTFC and league two get used to it and forget DF for good.
So to sum up Dan, you don't rate DF then.Dan wrote:DogsDoDahs wrote:
The DF lovers go on and on about his style of football and he just lost a few games.
It was not always the players fault we did not get enough points to win promotion, it was the DFs live match decisions that cost us dozens of points. Early in the season in October 2018 his decision making was negative and expensive and cost us dearly. Anybody supporting stags at the Bury away game that finished 2-2 will remember his tactics. To remind those with a tainted memory stags were winning 1-2 with seven minutes of normal time to play. DF takes off Danny rose having earlier took off Tyler walker leaving us with no strikers on the pitch AT ALL and playing an 11 man defense. Not surprisingly we lost the three points to a late Maynard equaliser that a two year old child could see coming. We were not playing good fluid football and it was not a pleasure to watch. I know i was there and witnessed the fans reaction leaving the ground. We were 11 games into the season and fans were not happy with DF and his crap tactics. Nothing changes really does it. Its MTFC and league two get used to it and forget DF for good.
Great post completely agree. What a lot of people on here don't realise is that the reasons for it failing was all down to the manager and his Bertie bigbollocks attitude towards players. People can choose to believe it or not but I always judge a manager by what his players say about him when he is sacked. You have a look at how many were 'sorry' to see him go. Clue, it'll take you a while to find more than one! And I also know for a fact that JR spoke to the players before making his decision as well.
Just because we're in a mess at the moment people are romanticising about a double failure. It's like someone giving you two lottery tickets, one with 3 numbers on and one with 2 numbers. One might be slightly better than the other but it's not worth having either of them at the end of the day!
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