Dave Wayne wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:I agree Gazza.
Cox did well in his first season in the league and for a brief spell there was talks of us possibly sneaking a playoff spot.
Then the budget was cut to about 800k as I recall?
Then Murray came in and struggled just as much as Cox did under those circumstances until the following summer when he embarked on probably the best transfer window I can ever remember us having by signing Pearce, Bennett, Rose, Green and Benning!
Since Evans arrived we have spent silly money and gotten a poor return, except for when Flitcroft came within a whisker of promotion by losing out to teams who had equal or greater spending as we did (one even went out of existence as a result).
Coughlin hasn't done anything to suggest he is a better manager than Cox and he definitely has had better financial backing in L2.
Hopefully he delivers in the future but I personally don't think he will.
There was no other team in League Two who were spending £5,000 a week on a player like we did, not even Bury. Bury were spending money they hadn’t got, we were spending money like it was going out of fashion. Or rather Flitcroft was. Then he bottled it. Again. There’s a reason he’s still unemployed, talk to some of the players who played under him & you’ll see why. Good riddance.
Do you know that for a fact Dan, or are you just stating it to fit your narrative ?
What about County ?
As far as I understand it, the reason we didn't take up the option on Hemmings was because he was on £8k per week at Oxford and wanted more than we were prepared to pay him on a permanent deal.
We signed Walker on the rumoured £5k per week, and County signed Hemmings on a shade over £6k per week if rumours are to be believed.
I would say Flitcroft got the better deal out of those two.
Sedgwick wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:I agree Gazza.
Cox did well in his first season in the league and for a brief spell there was talks of us possibly sneaking a playoff spot.
Then the budget was cut to about 800k as I recall?
Then Murray came in and struggled just as much as Cox did under those circumstances until the following summer when he embarked on probably the best transfer window I can ever remember us having by signing Pearce, Bennett, Rose, Green and Benning!
Since Evans arrived we have spent silly money and gotten a poor return, except for when Flitcroft came within a whisker of promotion by losing out to teams who had equal or greater spending as we did (one even went out of existence as a result).
Coughlin hasn't done anything to suggest he is a better manager than Cox and he definitely has had better financial backing in L2.
Hopefully he delivers in the future but I personally don't think he will.
There was no other team in League Two who were spending £5,000 a week on a player like we did, not even Bury. Bury were spending money they hadn’t got, we were spending money like it was going out of fashion. Or rather Flitcroft was. Then he bottled it. Again. There’s a reason he’s still unemployed, talk to some of the players who played under him & you’ll see why. Good riddance.
Do you know that for a fact Dan, or are you just stating it to fit your narrative ?
What about County ?
As far as I understand it, the reason we didn't take up the option on Hemmings was because he was on £8k per week at Oxford and wanted more than we were prepared to pay him on a permanent deal.
We signed Walker on the rumoured £5k per week, and County signed Hemmings on a shade over £6k per week if rumours are to be believed.
I would say Flitcroft got the better deal out of those two.
Dan knows nowt, just says things to fit his narrative then passes it off as fact because he sits a few yards from a pitch with a camera.
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Manager League Win Ratios
Freddie Steele 50.9%
Paul Cox 48.4%
Harry Martin 48.0%
Dave Smith 46.8%
Steve Evans 45.3%
Peter Morris 45.2%
Tommy Cummings 43.4%
Raich Carter 43.2%
Charlie Mitten 43.1%
Jack Hickling 42.6%
David Holdsworth 41.7%
Keith Curle 40.5%
George Jobey 40.0%
Harry Parkes 39.7%
Harry Wightman 38.9%
David Flitcroft 37.9%
Steve Parkin 37.8%
Stan Mercer 36.2%
Stuart Watkiss 35.7%
Tommy Eggleston 35.5%
Danny Williams 34.9%
Billy Dearden 34.2%
Duncan Russell 33.3%
Ian Greaves 33.2%
George Foster 32.8%
Mick Jones 32.6%
Andy King 32.2%
Stuart Boam 31.9%
Adam Murray 31.9%
Billy McEwan 31.8%
Roy Goodall 31.8%
Jack Poole 31.7%
Carlton Palmer 31.0%
Paul Holland 30.8%
Peter Shirtliff 30.5%
Jock Basford 27.5%
Sam Weaver 27.4%
Billy Bingham 26.7%
Charles Bell 25.0%
John Dempster 23.8%
Graham Coughlan 21%
Hjeldefan wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Manager League Win Ratios
Freddie Steele 50.9%
Paul Cox 48.4%
Harry Martin 48.0%
Dave Smith 46.8%
Steve Evans 45.3%
Peter Morris 45.2%
Tommy Cummings 43.4%
Raich Carter 43.2%
Charlie Mitten 43.1%
Jack Hickling 42.6%
David Holdsworth 41.7%
Keith Curle 40.5%
George Jobey 40.0%
Harry Parkes 39.7%
Harry Wightman 38.9%
David Flitcroft 37.9%
Steve Parkin 37.8%
Stan Mercer 36.2%
Stuart Watkiss 35.7%
Tommy Eggleston 35.5%
Danny Williams 34.9%
Billy Dearden 34.2%
Duncan Russell 33.3%
Ian Greaves 33.2%
George Foster 32.8%
Mick Jones 32.6%
Andy King 32.2%
Stuart Boam 31.9%
Adam Murray 31.9%
Billy McEwan 31.8%
Roy Goodall 31.8%
Jack Poole 31.7%
Carlton Palmer 31.0%
Paul Holland 30.8%
Peter Shirtliff 30.5%
Jock Basford 27.5%
Sam Weaver 27.4%
Billy Bingham 26.7%
Charles Bell 25.0%
John Dempster 23.8%
Graham Coughlan 21%
And some on here refer to Cox as 'clueless'
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Flitcroft had lost it and would not have got us promoted the following year. We were dire from late January onwards and never looked like a promotion side since then (with the exception of Exeter away). If anything we would have done a county and got relegated.
Yes we have been rubbish since but bringing failure back for another go isn’t the answer.
Rob wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Flitcroft had lost it and would not have got us promoted the following year. We were dire from late January onwards and never looked like a promotion side since then (with the exception of Exeter away). If anything we would have done a county and got relegated.
Yes we have been rubbish since but bringing failure back for another go isn’t the answer.
I don't agree with bringing him back but you cannot possibly know how we'd have done last season had we kept him. What we do know is how we actually did, we also know we finished in our highest league position in 15 years in 18/19. To say DF would have relegated us is laughable! Now Adam Murray, who you want back, has the same league record as Stuart Boam
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Rob wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Flitcroft had lost it and would not have got us promoted the following year. We were dire from late January onwards and never looked like a promotion side since then (with the exception of Exeter away). If anything we would have done a county and got relegated.
Yes we have been rubbish since but bringing failure back for another go isn’t the answer.
I don't agree with bringing him back but you cannot possibly know how we'd have done last season had we kept him. What we do know is how we actually did, we also know we finished in our highest league position in 15 years in 18/19. To say DF would have relegated us is laughable! Now Adam Murray, who you want back, has the same league record as Stuart Boam
With half the resources. If Murray was that bad, why did we rely on his players for the last three years and how come one of them has just brought the biggest transfer fee for nearly two decades?
Oh and he’s on his second management spell in the Championship (ok as caretaker but who knows) and what has Mr Flitcroft managed since he left, oh yes an assistants job and the sack at a relegated team. Maybe I should put about ten emojis laughing at you.
Dan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:I agree Gazza.
Cox did well in his first season in the league and for a brief spell there was talks of us possibly sneaking a playoff spot.
Then the budget was cut to about 800k as I recall?
Then Murray came in and struggled just as much as Cox did under those circumstances until the following summer when he embarked on probably the best transfer window I can ever remember us having by signing Pearce, Bennett, Rose, Green and Benning!
Since Evans arrived we have spent silly money and gotten a poor return, except for when Flitcroft came within a whisker of promotion by losing out to teams who had equal or greater spending as we did (one even went out of existence as a result).
Coughlin hasn't done anything to suggest he is a better manager than Cox and he definitely has had better financial backing in L2.
Hopefully he delivers in the future but I personally don't think he will.
There was no other team in League Two who were spending £5,000 a week on a player like we did, not even Bury. Bury were spending money they hadn’t got, we were spending money like it was going out of fashion. Or rather Flitcroft was. Then he bottled it. Again. There’s a reason he’s still unemployed, talk to some of the players who played under him & you’ll see why. Good riddance.
Do you know that for a fact Dan, or are you just stating it to fit your narrative ?
What about County ?
As far as I understand it, the reason we didn't take up the option on Hemmings was because he was on £8k per week at Oxford and wanted more than we were prepared to pay him on a permanent deal.
We signed Walker on the rumoured £5k per week, and County signed Hemmings on a shade over £6k per week if rumours are to be believed.
I would say Flitcroft got the better deal out of those two.
Dan knows nowt, just says things to fit his narrative then passes it off as fact because he sits a few yards from a pitch with a camera.
Says Walter Mitty
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Flitcroft had lost it and would not have got us promoted the following year. We were dire from late January onwards and never looked like a promotion side since then (with the exception of Exeter away). If anything we would have done a county and got relegated.
Yes we have been rubbish since but bringing failure back for another go isn’t the answer.
Sedgwick wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Flitcroft had lost it and would not have got us promoted the following year. We were dire from late January onwards and never looked like a promotion side since then (with the exception of Exeter away). If anything we would have done a county and got relegated.
Yes we have been rubbish since but bringing failure back for another go isn’t the answer.
I doubt that, We know why it went wrong around Jan time....
Bobby injured, White Injured, Having to replace him with Gethin Jones who was hopeless... Grant was supposed to be an upgrade on Elsnik and didn't look arsed most of the time. We couldn't really have a big push in Jan that was required because we still had players like Anderson on a big wage sat in the stands and we still managed to come so so so close.
Over the summer Dempster didn't address any issues because he either didn't know about them or thought we were fine... Flitcroft would have sorted these issues out and gone again. It was certainly worth giving him some time to sort it. Just how I see it of course.
But I also wouldn't bring him back, were so far off that side he would have a near impossible task trying to play that way with this lot.
Dave Wayne wrote:Dan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:I agree Gazza.
Cox did well in his first season in the league and for a brief spell there was talks of us possibly sneaking a playoff spot.
Then the budget was cut to about 800k as I recall?
Then Murray came in and struggled just as much as Cox did under those circumstances until the following summer when he embarked on probably the best transfer window I can ever remember us having by signing Pearce, Bennett, Rose, Green and Benning!
Since Evans arrived we have spent silly money and gotten a poor return, except for when Flitcroft came within a whisker of promotion by losing out to teams who had equal or greater spending as we did (one even went out of existence as a result).
Coughlin hasn't done anything to suggest he is a better manager than Cox and he definitely has had better financial backing in L2.
Hopefully he delivers in the future but I personally don't think he will.
There was no other team in League Two who were spending £5,000 a week on a player like we did, not even Bury. Bury were spending money they hadn’t got, we were spending money like it was going out of fashion. Or rather Flitcroft was. Then he bottled it. Again. There’s a reason he’s still unemployed, talk to some of the players who played under him & you’ll see why. Good riddance.
Do you know that for a fact Dan, or are you just stating it to fit your narrative ?
What about County ?
As far as I understand it, the reason we didn't take up the option on Hemmings was because he was on £8k per week at Oxford and wanted more than we were prepared to pay him on a permanent deal.
We signed Walker on the rumoured £5k per week, and County signed Hemmings on a shade over £6k per week if rumours are to be believed.
I would say Flitcroft got the better deal out of those two.
Dan knows nowt, just says things to fit his narrative then passes it off as fact because he sits a few yards from a pitch with a camera.
Avoided my question though Dan.
Do you have any evidence to support your statement that nobody else was paying a L2 player £5k a week ?
What about the figures for County ? Are they incorrect ?
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And who did Flitcroft bring to the club with the fortune he spent?
Flitcroft nearly ruined Hamilton by playing him all over the park and it shows what a good player he is that he has succeeded despite that. The tactical genius played a winger at full back for the most important game of the season when others were available.
You write the script to suit and are totally blinkered. Flitcroft blew it twice in spectacular fashion.
gazza1988 wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And who did Flitcroft bring to the club with the fortune he spent?
Flitcroft nearly ruined Hamilton by playing him all over the park and it shows what a good player he is that he has succeeded despite that. The tactical genius played a winger at full back for the most important game of the season when others were available.
You write the script to suit and are totally blinkered. Flitcroft blew it twice in spectacular fashion.
Ruined Hamilton? By getting him into the team of the season, not bad for a player who was "nearly" ruined.
So you'd prefer Gethin Jones at RWB?
We wouldn't have needed Nicky Ajose had the board not forced DF to sell one of Angol or Rose (quick check Angol has a career avererage of 1 goal every 3 games according to Wikipedia)
3 players on a high wage doing nothing in Mirfin, Diamond and Anderson. He tried to move them on but nobody wanted them. Imagine those 3 wages off the bill, he could have got a backup RWB and a backup CB (remember we only started the season with 3, Turner arrived in January and needed time to settle into the side) then we wouldn't have needed Hamilton at RWB and likely wouldn't have needed MacDonald at RWB either.
Elsnik was recalled because Derby wanted us to sign him for a fee (his contract was set to end that season) there was an article about it.
Let's not forget about the facial injury suffered by Rose in the Newport game. For the following games we needed a player like Rose who is good in the air and wins the odd free kick to take the pressure off the defence.
adamstag wrote:The long and short of Flitcroft was that Swindon found him out with their gameplan over that Christmas and got a 0-0, completely counteracted us and nullified us.
Other clubs got wind and followed suit, Flitcroft had half a season to formulate a plan B and didn't resulting in a massive dip in form that he couldn't resolve.
It was for that reason that I thought we shouldn't have kept him on.
Will everybody agree with that? I dare say not
Dan wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:Avoided my question though Dan.
Do you have any evidence to support your statement that nobody else was paying a L2 player £5k a week ?
What about the figures for County ? Are they incorrect ?
Yes thanks.
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