Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Tim Akinola has been tracked down by one of my football friends. He played for Mansfield Town's Brooksby Team in 2017-2018 making 9(1) appearances and scoring 4 goals in the National U19 league.
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Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Brooksby lads are the college lads who are not deemed good enough to be in our youth team although I think Lewis Gibbens started off with the Brooksby lads and then moved up.
Football is about opinions and in truth there is very little difference in ability sometimes. Sometimes it is about whether your face fits or whether you are lucky enough to be given an opportunity and then grab it. Sometimes players do not even get a chance to play in their strongest positions.
Michael Calvin's book "No Hunger In Paradise" is well worth reading on youth football. Very few young lads make it. There are thousands of cast offs from academies in higher leagues and the Stags recruit a lot of these players for our youth team. This also used to happen in the past. Liam Lawrence and Craig Disley were rejected by Forest. Bobby Hassell and Leroy Williamson were rejected by Derby County. A few of our current youngsters used to play at Forest such as Jimmy Knowles and Ethan Hill (Paul Matthews' grandson). Tyrese Sinclair was released by Blackburn Rovers. I think Alistair Smith was at West Brom, Jamie Chisholm at Birmingham City, Tom Fielding at Leicester City and Josh Scott was at Hartlepool. I'm sure the youth team followers on here can name a few more.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Brooksby lads are the college lads who are not deemed good enough to be in our youth team although I think Lewis Gibbens started off with the Brooksby lads and then moved up.
Football is about opinions and in truth there is very little difference in ability sometimes. Sometimes it is about whether your face fits or whether you are lucky enough to be given an opportunity and then grab it. Sometimes players do not even get a chance to play in their strongest positions.
Michael Calvin's book "No Hunger In Paradise" is well worth reading on youth football. Very few young lads make it. There are thousands of cast offs from academies in higher leagues and the Stags recruit a lot of these players for our youth team. This also used to happen in the past. Liam Lawrence and Craig Disley were rejected by Forest. Bobby Hassell and Leroy Williamson were rejected by Derby County. A few of our current youngsters used to play at Forest such as Jimmy Knowles and Ethan Hill (Paul Matthews' grandson). Tyrese Sinclair was released by Blackburn Rovers. I think Alistair Smith was at West Brom, Jamie Chisholm at Birmingham City, Tom Fielding at Leicester City and Josh Scott was at Hartlepool. I'm sure the youth team followers on here can name a few more.
You actually believe that talent doesn't make a difference and you think that they're all as good as each other? That's absurd, and quite frankly, wrong.
You've named a number of people there who have not made it at their last club, who have come to us from bigger better academies in order to keep themselves in with a shout of making it in the game.
If one of them or any other lads gets released by Mansfield and then Arsenal pick them up without the need for a trial, it says to me that the talent scouts and coaches are getting it wrong. Unless by your logic, anyone is good enough to sign for Arsenal because there is very little difference in ability.
Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Brooksby lads are the college lads who are not deemed good enough to be in our youth team although I think Lewis Gibbens started off with the Brooksby lads and then moved up.
Football is about opinions and in truth there is very little difference in ability sometimes. Sometimes it is about whether your face fits or whether you are lucky enough to be given an opportunity and then grab it. Sometimes players do not even get a chance to play in their strongest positions.
Michael Calvin's book "No Hunger In Paradise" is well worth reading on youth football. Very few young lads make it. There are thousands of cast offs from academies in higher leagues and the Stags recruit a lot of these players for our youth team. This also used to happen in the past. Liam Lawrence and Craig Disley were rejected by Forest. Bobby Hassell and Leroy Williamson were rejected by Derby County. A few of our current youngsters used to play at Forest such as Jimmy Knowles and Ethan Hill (Paul Matthews' grandson). Tyrese Sinclair was released by Blackburn Rovers. I think Alistair Smith was at West Brom, Jamie Chisholm at Birmingham City, Tom Fielding at Leicester City and Josh Scott was at Hartlepool. I'm sure the youth team followers on here can name a few more.
You actually believe that talent doesn't make a difference and you think that they're all as good as each other? That's absurd, and quite frankly, wrong.
You've named a number of people there who have not made it at their last club, who have come to us from bigger better academies in order to keep themselves in with a shout of making it in the game.
If one of them or any other lads gets released by Mansfield and then Arsenal pick them up without the need for a trial, it says to me that the talent scouts and coaches are getting it wrong. Unless by your logic, anyone is good enough to sign for Arsenal because there is very little difference in ability.
Shaun Wright-Phillips was released by Forest as a 17 year old because they didn't think he was big enough or strong enough to make the grade.
There are examples everywhere of players slipping through the net and then making it elsewhere. Players develop differently and those who look good at 16/17 might not make it while those who are average at that age may come good a few years later. Decisions have to be made on what they can see at the time and mistakes will be made. This doesn't mean somebody on our staff deserves reprimanding based on a single case.
Lionel Messi and Diego Maradona would have been turned away if that was the only criteria!! I hope that talent still gets spotted and a Messi or Maradona would still get signed on.cassellswasmagic wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Brooksby lads are the college lads who are not deemed good enough to be in our youth team although I think Lewis Gibbens started off with the Brooksby lads and then moved up.
Football is about opinions and in truth there is very little difference in ability sometimes. Sometimes it is about whether your face fits or whether you are lucky enough to be given an opportunity and then grab it. Sometimes players do not even get a chance to play in their strongest positions.
Michael Calvin's book "No Hunger In Paradise" is well worth reading on youth football. Very few young lads make it. There are thousands of cast offs from academies in higher leagues and the Stags recruit a lot of these players for our youth team. This also used to happen in the past. Liam Lawrence and Craig Disley were rejected by Forest. Bobby Hassell and Leroy Williamson were rejected by Derby County. A few of our current youngsters used to play at Forest such as Jimmy Knowles and Ethan Hill (Paul Matthews' grandson). Tyrese Sinclair was released by Blackburn Rovers. I think Alistair Smith was at West Brom, Jamie Chisholm at Birmingham City, Tom Fielding at Leicester City and Josh Scott was at Hartlepool. I'm sure the youth team followers on here can name a few more.
You actually believe that talent doesn't make a difference and you think that they're all as good as each other? That's absurd, and quite frankly, wrong.
You've named a number of people there who have not made it at their last club, who have come to us from bigger better academies in order to keep themselves in with a shout of making it in the game.
If one of them or any other lads gets released by Mansfield and then Arsenal pick them up without the need for a trial, it says to me that the talent scouts and coaches are getting it wrong. Unless by your logic, anyone is good enough to sign for Arsenal because there is very little difference in ability.
Shaun Wright-Phillips was released by Forest as a 17 year old because they didn't think he was big enough or strong enough to make the grade.
There are examples everywhere of players slipping through the net and then making it elsewhere. Players develop differently and those who look good at 16/17 might not make it while those who are average at that age may come good a few years later. Decisions have to be made on what they can see at the time and mistakes will be made. This doesn't mean somebody on our staff deserves reprimanding based on a single case.
Forest scouts are told to concentrate on finding a player who is big (6ft+), Strong and Pacey. I would imagine a lot of clubs work this way. I know because a member of the family is a scout for them.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Yeah yeah yeah, Jamie Vardy this, Charlie Austin that....
It's not like this lad was cast off into non league obscurity . He was at the club, no one was aware of him, he went into bigger and better things until 3 years later he signs for Arsenal. That's a massive one 'slipping through the net'.
ST4GS wrote:Lionel Messi and Diego Maradona would have been turned away if that was the only criteria!! I hope that talent still gets spotted and a Messi or Maradona would still get signed on.cassellswasmagic wrote:Dave Wayne wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Brooksby lads are the college lads who are not deemed good enough to be in our youth team although I think Lewis Gibbens started off with the Brooksby lads and then moved up.
Football is about opinions and in truth there is very little difference in ability sometimes. Sometimes it is about whether your face fits or whether you are lucky enough to be given an opportunity and then grab it. Sometimes players do not even get a chance to play in their strongest positions.
Michael Calvin's book "No Hunger In Paradise" is well worth reading on youth football. Very few young lads make it. There are thousands of cast offs from academies in higher leagues and the Stags recruit a lot of these players for our youth team. This also used to happen in the past. Liam Lawrence and Craig Disley were rejected by Forest. Bobby Hassell and Leroy Williamson were rejected by Derby County. A few of our current youngsters used to play at Forest such as Jimmy Knowles and Ethan Hill (Paul Matthews' grandson). Tyrese Sinclair was released by Blackburn Rovers. I think Alistair Smith was at West Brom, Jamie Chisholm at Birmingham City, Tom Fielding at Leicester City and Josh Scott was at Hartlepool. I'm sure the youth team followers on here can name a few more.
You actually believe that talent doesn't make a difference and you think that they're all as good as each other? That's absurd, and quite frankly, wrong.
You've named a number of people there who have not made it at their last club, who have come to us from bigger better academies in order to keep themselves in with a shout of making it in the game.
If one of them or any other lads gets released by Mansfield and then Arsenal pick them up without the need for a trial, it says to me that the talent scouts and coaches are getting it wrong. Unless by your logic, anyone is good enough to sign for Arsenal because there is very little difference in ability.
Shaun Wright-Phillips was released by Forest as a 17 year old because they didn't think he was big enough or strong enough to make the grade.
There are examples everywhere of players slipping through the net and then making it elsewhere. Players develop differently and those who look good at 16/17 might not make it while those who are average at that age may come good a few years later. Decisions have to be made on what they can see at the time and mistakes will be made. This doesn't mean somebody on our staff deserves reprimanding based on a single case.
Forest scouts are told to concentrate on finding a player who is big (6ft+), Strong and Pacey. I would imagine a lot of clubs work this way. I know because a member of the family is a scout for them.
arsene wengers coat wrote:You actually believe that talent doesn't make a difference and you think that they're all as good as each other? That's absurd, and quite frankly, wrong.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Yeah yeah yeah, Jamie Vardy this, Charlie Austin that....
It's not like this lad was cast off into non league obscurity . He was at the club, no one was aware of him, he went into bigger and better things until 3 years later he signs for Arsenal. That's a massive one 'slipping through the net'.
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