Manager

[Rob]

Can only judge him once it has fully got his stamp on the squad really.

Must be more to the story where Pearce is concerned, he's been consistently one of the best in this division normally you wouldn't let him go.

Can't see us being a team that will easily roll over and have our bellies tickled, but at the same time I think it will come as a compromise with us being pleasing on the eye.

Next season he will have almost entirely his own squad, we had the option on most players and we do not have the Evans hangover of over-paid, under-performing players. I don't think we have retained anyone we didn't want to. As long as we progress from last season then fair enough, I suspect mid-table for us next season.

[bobbystagsfan]

Can only judge him once it has fully got his stamp on the squad really.

Must be more to the story where Pearce is concerned, he's been consistently one of the best in this division normally you wouldn't let him go.

Can't see us being a team that will easily roll over and have our bellies tickled, but at the same time I think it will come as a compromise with us being pleasing on the eye.

Next season he will have almost entirely his own squad, we had the option on most players and we do not have the Evans hangover of over-paid, under-performing players. I don't think we have retained anyone we didn't want to. As long as we progress from last season then fair enough, I suspect mid-table for us next season.

If we do finish mid table, I hope we don't sack coughlan. We'll never get anywhere giving a manager one shot at promotion and then offing him if it's not achieved. It's not sustainable and we'll be in a constant state of rebuild.

[stag324]

I think we should be good enough to make the play offs. Anything more will be a bonus.

However, it all rests on who we sign for our midfield.

For a number of years this has been our weakness

[bellwhiff]

Think we need a better striker.

[cassellswasmagic]

Think we need a better striker.

Agree

[oldweststander]

Reckon everything regarding a new striker will depend on someone taking Cook, maybe a season long loan?

[bobbystagsfan]

Reckon everything regarding a new striker will depend on someone taking Cook, maybe a season long loan?

Can't see many teams wanting to pay a fee for a player after the virus situation and clubs losing a lot of money, could be wrong but you might be right in a loan rather than a purchase

[spanishstag]

Well he is our player ,if nobody pays ,nobody gets ,simple really if cooke wants to go thats his perogative ,but its in mtfc,s hands

[Amber Andy]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

[MTFCMusings]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

[The One]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

You can quote all stats you want, Andy will never get over DF going.

[The One]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Dempster got us 4th from bottom

[Dan]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

You can quote all stats you want, Andy will never get over DF going.

That's so true. Andy's like a teenager who has lost his first love

Great stats there Musings, and let's not forget that GC did it in a higher division too with Brizzle.

The way I see Flitcroft is the same way I see Curle. Both managers failed with the sides they had at their disposal & both should've got us automatic promotion.

[Rob]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

You can quote all stats you want, Andy will never get over DF going.

That's so true. Andy's like a teenager who has lost his first love

Great stats there Musings, and let's not forget that GC did it in a higher division too with Brizzle.

The way I see Flitcroft is the same way I see Curle. Both managers failed with the sides they had at their disposal & both should've got us automatic promotion.

Curle also managed our relegation from League 1 and was best mates with Haslam Dan I obviously don't agree with you on DF but I think that has been done to death now. Mid table next season, any better then GC will have done a good job.

[Dan]

Yes that's true. But you can't deny that both managers failed with the teams they'd got surely?!

[Amber Andy]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

Your last paragraph is so relevant.

I just don't understand what cassellswasmagic is basing his optimism on.

[Rob]

Yes that's true. But you can't deny that both managers failed with the teams they'd got surely?!

I think Curle had the most talented squad we have had since the 70's, I think DF had a strong squad but had a few high earners who contributed nothing. I think the end of the season was a huge disappointment and yes a failure, but it still remains the most entertained I've been for a very, very long time and we were only a point off. Who knows that free from Evans dead weight what we'd have done this season - we'll never know Dan. What we do know is what happened after we sacked him.

[MTFCMusings]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

Your last paragraph is so relevant.

I just don't understand what cassellswasmagic is basing his optimism on.

Well I assume it’s what the rest of my post shows, that there hasn’t been much difference between the two.

Neither of the leagues top two managers this season had a track record of achieving anything either.

[MutinyOnTheCounty]

All ill add is... please drop this expectation that a new manager, his own players will equal promotion in one season and anything less is a failure.

You just know if we're not in the top 7 after 5 games people will start calling for GC's head

Everyone to their own opinion and all that.

But I do like listening to some of our seasoned experts, who are adamant they're right as always, but somehow forget the dozens of times they weren't

The life of a football fan eh?

[bellwhiff]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Ridiculous post. And so in character

[arsene wengers coat]

Well he is our player ,if nobody pays ,nobody gets ,simple really if cooke wants to go thats his perogative ,but its in mtfc,s hands

We might mutually agree to terminate the contract.

[The One]

Yes that's true. But you can't deny that both managers failed with the teams they'd got surely?!

I think Curle had the most talented squad we have had since the 70's, I think DF had a strong squad but had a few high earners who contributed nothing. I think the end of the season was a huge disappointment and yes a failure, but it still remains the most entertained I've been for a very, very long time and we were only a point off. Who knows that free from Evans dead weight what we'd have done this season - we'll never know Dan. What we do know is what happened after we sacked him.

Rob your mate Curle on football focus at 12 50

[Rob]

Yes that's true. But you can't deny that both managers failed with the teams they'd got surely?!

I think Curle had the most talented squad we have had since the 70's, I think DF had a strong squad but had a few high earners who contributed nothing. I think the end of the season was a huge disappointment and yes a failure, but it still remains the most entertained I've been for a very, very long time and we were only a point off. Who knows that free from Evans dead weight what we'd have done this season - we'll never know Dan. What we do know is what happened after we sacked him.

Rob your mate Curle on football focus at 12 50

Can't wait

[Big yella]

Yes that's true. But you can't deny that both managers failed with the teams they'd got surely?!

I think Curle had the most talented squad we have had since the 70's, I think DF had a strong squad but had a few high earners who contributed nothing. I think the end of the season was a huge disappointment and yes a failure, but it still remains the most entertained I've been for a very, very long time and we were only a point off. Who knows that free from Evans dead weight what we'd have done this season - we'll never know Dan. What we do know is what happened after we sacked him.

Rob your mate Curle on football focus at 12 50

Can't wait

Wasn't worth the wait.

[Conker]

I’m more confident with GC than I ever was with JD and even DF.

Based on what ? DF got us to fourth from top, GC got us fourth from bottom.

Interesting comparison to be done.

DF first 12 games as manager (a side in the play-offs and challenging for autos) - 12pts
GC first 12 games as manager (suffering in the bottom third of the league) - 10pts

Not too much difference and given the quality of players at their disposal you would probably say GC had the better start, although neither covered themselves in glory

DF final 12 games (having had two transfer windows and a full pre-season, having done brilliantly in the first half of the season) - 15pts
GC final 12 games (no pre-season, offloading players who didn’t want to be here) - 14pts

Again, not too much difference here.

GC 19 games taken charge of Bristol Rovers after a full pre-season (lower half budget for the league) - 34pts
DF 19 games taken charge of us in 18/19 season after a full pre-season (at the very least top 6 budget, probably higher) - 32pts

GC with a far better job here given respective expectations.

There are two big differences I suppose. The first is that Rovers were performing without expectation, so we’re able to go under the radar and utilise as underdog mentality. There was no expectation on them to play pretty football so no huge pressure from fans against style of play etc. Flitcroft had to deal with project promotion and smash the league and expectation of fans. Whilst our expectations as fans may be a little lower this season, fans from other clubs have already started the ‘moneybags Mansfield’ stuff given our early activity in the market.

The other difference is that GC has no track record of achievement, whereas Flitcroft had been there and done it before.

Your last paragraph is so relevant.

I just don't understand what cassellswasmagic is basing his optimism on.

Nor do I - but it’s equally strange the comparison you made, despite knowing the situation GC came in to the club.