Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Drivel Adam, Mellis was decent under DF and had some great games last season, your view is blinkered by your DF Out stance, which of course has led us to where we are now, fighting relegation instead of promotion. That's a fact. This season neither manager got anywhere near the best from him, which of course is down to Mellis himself - we rightly got rid, but to pretend he was crap last season is amnesia at its best
Stags 2002 wrote:Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Drivel Adam, Mellis was decent under DF and had some great games last season, your view is blinkered by your DF Out stance, which of course has led us to where we are now, fighting relegation instead of promotion. That's a fact. This season neither manager got anywhere near the best from him, which of course is down to Mellis himself - we rightly got rid, but to pretend he was crap last season is amnesia at its best
Rob with all due respect it isn't. I agree it's a fact that we are fighting relegation as opposed to promotion but your phrasing of the sentence suggests the sacking of DF has led us to this point. The sacking of DF hasn't led us to fighting a relegation battle we where already heading on that path given our form in the close of last season, with DF in charge we could have easily found ourselves where we are now.
DF's last 12 games (includes the two play off legs)
3 wins
5 draws
4 loses
14 points prorata this over a full season and its 53 points. Survival but only just.
Narrow it down to his last 6 games.
1 win
2 draws
3 loses
5 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation.
GC's last 12 games.
2 wins
4 draws
6 loses
10 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation and the same as DF's last 6 games.
Clearly we were already on a downward trend with DF at the helm - form we are yet to recover from, the facts speak for themselves and this can't be denied by even the most ardent supporters of DF. The only constant factor under all three recent managers has been poorly performing players with a downward trend that commenced at Newport a year last Sunday on the 9th Feb 2019.
Stags 2002 wrote:Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Drivel Adam, Mellis was decent under DF and had some great games last season, your view is blinkered by your DF Out stance, which of course has led us to where we are now, fighting relegation instead of promotion. That's a fact. This season neither manager got anywhere near the best from him, which of course is down to Mellis himself - we rightly got rid, but to pretend he was crap last season is amnesia at its best
Rob with all due respect it isn't. I agree it's a fact that we are fighting relegation as opposed to promotion but your phrasing of the sentence suggests the sacking of DF has led us to this point. The sacking of DF hasn't led us to fighting a relegation battle we where already heading on that path given our form in the close of last season, with DF in charge we could have easily found ourselves where we are now.
DF's last 12 games (includes the two play off legs)
3 wins
5 draws
4 loses
14 points prorata this over a full season and its 53 points. Survival but only just.
Narrow it down to his last 6 games.
1 win
2 draws
3 loses
5 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation.
GC's last 12 games.
2 wins
4 draws
6 loses
10 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation and the same as DF's last 6 games.
Clearly we were already on a downward trend with DF at the helm - form we are yet to recover from, the facts speak for themselves and this can't be denied by even the most ardent supporters of DF. The only constant factor under all three recent managers has been poorly performing players with a downward trend that commenced at Newport a year last Sunday on the 9th Feb 2019.
Stags 2002 wrote:Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Drivel Adam, Mellis was decent under DF and had some great games last season, your view is blinkered by your DF Out stance, which of course has led us to where we are now, fighting relegation instead of promotion. That's a fact. This season neither manager got anywhere near the best from him, which of course is down to Mellis himself - we rightly got rid, but to pretend he was crap last season is amnesia at its best
Rob with all due respect it isn't. I agree it's a fact that we are fighting relegation as opposed to promotion but your phrasing of the sentence suggests the sacking of DF has led us to this point. The sacking of DF hasn't led us to fighting a relegation battle we where already heading on that path given our form in the close of last season, with DF in charge we could have easily found ourselves where we are now.
DF's last 12 games (includes the two play off legs)
3 wins
5 draws
4 loses
14 points prorata this over a full season and its 53 points. Survival but only just.
Narrow it down to his last 6 games.
1 win
2 draws
3 loses
5 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation.
GC's last 12 games.
2 wins
4 draws
6 loses
10 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation and the same as DF's last 6 games.
Clearly we were already on a downward trend with DF at the helm - form we are yet to recover from, the facts speak for themselves and this can't be denied by even the most ardent supporters of DF. The only constant factor under all three recent managers has been poorly performing players with a downward trend that commenced at Newport a year last Sunday on the 9th Feb 2019.
gazza1988 wrote:Stags 2002 wrote:Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
Drivel Adam, Mellis was decent under DF and had some great games last season, your view is blinkered by your DF Out stance, which of course has led us to where we are now, fighting relegation instead of promotion. That's a fact. This season neither manager got anywhere near the best from him, which of course is down to Mellis himself - we rightly got rid, but to pretend he was crap last season is amnesia at its best
Rob with all due respect it isn't. I agree it's a fact that we are fighting relegation as opposed to promotion but your phrasing of the sentence suggests the sacking of DF has led us to this point. The sacking of DF hasn't led us to fighting a relegation battle we where already heading on that path given our form in the close of last season, with DF in charge we could have easily found ourselves where we are now.
DF's last 12 games (includes the two play off legs)
3 wins
5 draws
4 loses
14 points prorata this over a full season and its 53 points. Survival but only just.
Narrow it down to his last 6 games.
1 win
2 draws
3 loses
5 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation.
GC's last 12 games.
2 wins
4 draws
6 loses
10 points prorata this over a full season and its 38 points - potentially relegation and the same as DF's last 6 games.
Clearly we were already on a downward trend with DF at the helm - form we are yet to recover from, the facts speak for themselves and this can't be denied by even the most ardent supporters of DF. The only constant factor under all three recent managers has been poorly performing players with a downward trend that commenced at Newport a year last Sunday on the 9th Feb 2019.
"clearly we were on a downward trend with DF" because 8th then 4th is a downward trend
Fact is we were in an upward trend. Evans got us 12th, then left after most of the following season and we ended up 8th, then DF, after only TWO transfer windows got us 4th. Where is the downward trend? Yes a few results were disappointing towards but the season as a whole wasn't. Nothing is won or lost in only 12 games. its a 46 game season not 12.
You are correct in that we could be in this situation even if we kept Flitcroft. I very highly doubt it though otherwise it would have happened last season.
Conker wrote:I completely blanked out how poor our form was the end of last season too, it was that miserable.
That happening two years on the trot is probably why Flitcroft is a assistant manager now.
adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
gazza1988 wrote:Mate, all you are doing is proving that losing key players to injury made our form suffer. We had to draft in Fleetwood's right back who barely played, we had to draft in charlton's centre forward who didn't have the best reputation. Forest loaned us Smith and Grant to replace Elsnik and Olejnik. That is all you are proving. How about stats based on when we were full strength and had gelled into Flitcroft's system. I'd wager that was champions form. Rather than stats from when we had our first choice GK, RWB, CM and CF missing.
So yes, I see your downward spiral but you're making out we were at the same strength as we were that got us up there when it started. We wasn't.
Amber Andy wrote:adamstag wrote:Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I went to watch Doncaster Rovers play Bolton Wanderers last night. Jacob Mellis came on as a 59th minute sub and looked completely lost. He hardly touched the ball.
How he got a job a league above us is unreal, another poor call from flitcroft.
Mellis will be non-league in a year or 2, and it’ll be completely down to him being a raspberry
DF isn't their manager. So it won't be his call will it?
Sweden Stag wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Mate, all you are doing is proving that losing key players to injury made our form suffer. We had to draft in Fleetwood's right back who barely played, we had to draft in charlton's centre forward who didn't have the best reputation. Forest loaned us Smith and Grant to replace Elsnik and Olejnik. That is all you are proving. How about stats based on when we were full strength and had gelled into Flitcroft's system. I'd wager that was champions form. Rather than stats from when we had our first choice GK, RWB, CM and CF missing.
So yes, I see your downward spiral but you're making out we were at the same strength as we were that got us up there when it started. We wasn't.
We lost Olejnik and White at crucial times last season. I also think DF had a much-below-par January 2019 transfer window. Letting Elsnik go was a huge mistake. The players brought in didn't cut it. Hadn't Olejnik and White been injured, we had been promoted long before last Easter. As I see it, DF didn't cut it when it mattered. Was also proved at the end of the 2017-18 season when his record was: W 2, D 6, L 4. Those 4 were also in a row which were very costly then. DF failed twice when it mattered.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Sweden Stag wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Mate, all you are doing is proving that losing key players to injury made our form suffer. We had to draft in Fleetwood's right back who barely played, we had to draft in charlton's centre forward who didn't have the best reputation. Forest loaned us Smith and Grant to replace Elsnik and Olejnik. That is all you are proving. How about stats based on when we were full strength and had gelled into Flitcroft's system. I'd wager that was champions form. Rather than stats from when we had our first choice GK, RWB, CM and CF missing.
So yes, I see your downward spiral but you're making out we were at the same strength as we were that got us up there when it started. We wasn't.
We lost Olejnik and White at crucial times last season. I also think DF had a much-below-par January 2019 transfer window. Letting Elsnik go was a huge mistake. The players brought in didn't cut it. Hadn't Olejnik and White been injured, we had been promoted long before last Easter. As I see it, DF didn't cut it when it mattered. Was also proved at the end of the 2017-18 season when his record was: W 2, D 6, L 4. Those 4 were also in a row which were very costly then. DF failed twice when it mattered.
Didn't derby recall elsnik because we wouldn't buy him?
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