arsene wengers coat wrote:He's got possibly the hardest job in football.
Prima Donnas on big contracts for L2
Underperforming miserably
Unfit squuad
A lot of contracts up in the summer
Players wanting out
Players knowing their time is up
Players unable to play his preferred way
No confidence
No quality
Hangover from last season
Relegation scrap
Unhappy fan base
tillydog123 wrote:One view is that many of us on here wanted rid of JD including me towards the end period where it was clear he was out of his depth.
We did think that a new manager would be able to at the very least organize them and play them in their proper roles etc and get them playing half decent football and a move up the table at least towards the play offs.
This if we are honest has NOT happened under CG and they must be fit by now as he has had the training and clear weeks etc so not sure what is going on.
Maybe these players are all Duds now!!
Stoney wrote:Coughlan has more or less said in his interviews we have to work with what we've got. Reading between the lines I think he is saying this bunch isn't good enough but let's get to the end of the season and get some grafters in. We will be a different animal next season.
oldweststander wrote:tillydog123 wrote:One view is that many of us on here wanted rid of JD including me towards the end period where it was clear he was out of his depth.
We did think that a new manager would be able to at the very least organize them and play them in their proper roles etc and get them playing half decent football and a move up the table at least towards the play offs.
This if we are honest has NOT happened under CG and they must be fit by now as he has had the training and clear weeks etc so not sure what is going on.
Maybe these players are all Duds now!!
You can't organise a team that doesn't want to be organised, with players who know the exit door is opening and will be fully open come the end of June.
adamstag wrote:The side we’ve got is rotten.
Bourne from Evans, fermenting under flitcroft and ran riot under dempster some of the older hands at the club are a scandal, I’d put on one hand who I’d keep next season.
That’s what I like about GC, straight talking, direct, doesn’t suffer fools and direct. Can’t imagine many of the fairies we’ve got will like him given what they’ve had before.
Whereas it’s becoming clear the football isn’t going to be Barcelona-esque under GC, you know the players will be fit, well drilled and have a game plan.
The quicker this season can raspberry off the better, given a half decent budget next season could well see us return to the top 7
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:The side we’ve got is rotten.
Bourne from Evans, fermenting under flitcroft and ran riot under dempster some of the older hands at the club are a scandal, I’d put on one hand who I’d keep next season.
That’s what I like about GC, straight talking, direct, doesn’t suffer fools and direct. Can’t imagine many of the fairies we’ve got will like him given what they’ve had before.
Whereas it’s becoming clear the football isn’t going to be Barcelona-esque under GC, you know the players will be fit, well drilled and have a game plan.
The quicker this season can raspberry off the better, given a half decent budget next season could well see us return to the top 7
I reckon you had too many spliffs at Uni mate
Last season was our highest league position in over 15 years. We fermented You would, in a quiet moment away from your histrionics last season, admit that overall last season was enjoyable, it was great to challenge and we played great football. The last few months were bitterly disappointing, injury to Hayden certainly played a part as did the garbage from show pony Grant who so many loved instantly but who scored one free kick and gave the square root of sod all else. I have not seen any semblence of a game plan from GC other than run about a lot. We had 30% possession last night against a crap side, that's not progress, we are worse now than we were under JD. However, unlike you I will give him time to bring in his own players and won't be calling for his head after 8 games as you did with DF.
So here we are, you got your wish, conrgrats, gone well antit?
Rob wrote:adamstag wrote:The side we’ve got is rotten.
Bourne from Evans, fermenting under flitcroft and ran riot under dempster some of the older hands at the club are a scandal, I’d put on one hand who I’d keep next season.
That’s what I like about GC, straight talking, direct, doesn’t suffer fools and direct. Can’t imagine many of the fairies we’ve got will like him given what they’ve had before.
Whereas it’s becoming clear the football isn’t going to be Barcelona-esque under GC, you know the players will be fit, well drilled and have a game plan.
The quicker this season can raspberry off the better, given a half decent budget next season could well see us return to the top 7
I reckon you had too many spliffs at Uni mate
Last season was our highest league position in over 15 years. We fermented You would, in a quiet moment away from your histrionics last season, admit that overall last season was enjoyable, it was great to challenge and we played great football. The last few months were bitterly disappointing, injury to Hayden certainly played a part as did the garbage from show pony Grant who so many loved instantly but who scored one free kick and gave the square root of sod all else. I have not seen any semblence of a game plan from GC other than run about a lot. We had 30% possession last night against a crap side, that's not progress, we are worse now than we were under JD. However, unlike you I will give him time to bring in his own players and won't be calling for his head after 8 games as you did with DF.
So here we are, you got your wish, conrgrats, gone well antit?
Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
The One wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
Spiro, even the players admit fitness and training under Dempster was poor. So not eight months.
MTFCMusings wrote:The One wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
Spiro, even the players admit fitness and training under Dempster was poor. So not eight months.
Try eight weeks.
adoptedstag wrote:MTFCMusings wrote:The One wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
Spiro, even the players admit fitness and training under Dempster was poor. So not eight months.
Try eight weeks.
If you can't get a professional football team fit in 8 weeks something is wrong, even after "alleged" insufficient training before, they're not dragged off the street and asked to play for 90 minutes, they are supposed professional athletes who have spent their whole careers at a level of fitness which should enable themselves to be match fit within a few weeks.
This sounds like a guff excuse from players who don't wanna put the extra in when required, and haven't done since March last year.
Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
It's the quality of that training that's the issue. We have been 2nd best to most sides this season.
I can say I train for 60 minutes each day walking to work. Don't mean I don't start bowling out my rear end if I have to run to not miss the tram.
You get out what you put in when it comes to training. Either Dempster had a poor regimine or the players had a poor attitude (or a mixture of both) meaning not enough went in and we aren't getting enough out. If it is a poor attitude then Dempster should have noticed it early and stamped it out.
Let's be honest here spiro, if it was mindset don't you think Drewe Broughton would have at least helped? Say what you will about his time here but he's a well respected guy and good at helping players.
You can have the right mindset but if you haven't got the physical fitness to keep up you get left behind. The point of pre season is pushing the players hard on their base fitness. Improving it as much as possible so when they do fitness work in season they are maintaining that high base. Attempting to improve that base in the middle of the season leads to overtraining which is not something we want because it has a high injury risk, how many muscle strains have we had? Rose and Macca immediately spring to mind, how many did we have last season?
You could argue that this is why we faded at the end of last season, we started to burn out and didn't have the squad depth to allow players to rest for a few games.
adamstag wrote:The side we’ve got is rotten.
Bourne from Evans, fermenting under flitcroft and ran riot under dempster some of the older hands at the club are a scandal, I’d put on one hand who I’d keep next season.
West Ham 1969 wrote:Amber Andy wrote:It would be ludicrous to sack the manager, despite the poor results.
It will take time to turn this around.
Hopefully we will finish 23rd.
But you need the necessary experience, ability, skill to do it...has GC got this? Record to date doesn’t endorse this. See above post re Cambridge...plus look at Grimsby.
gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
It's the quality of that training that's the issue. We have been 2nd best to most sides this season.
I can say I train for 60 minutes each day walking to work. Don't mean I don't start bowling out my rear end if I have to run to not miss the tram.
You get out what you put in when it comes to training. Either Dempster had a poor regimine or the players had a poor attitude (or a mixture of both) meaning not enough went in and we aren't getting enough out. If it is a poor attitude then Dempster should have noticed it early and stamped it out.
Let's be honest here spiro, if it was mindset don't you think Drewe Broughton would have at least helped? Say what you will about his time here but he's a well respected guy and good at helping players.
You can have the right mindset but if you haven't got the physical fitness to keep up you get left behind. The point of pre season is pushing the players hard on their base fitness. Improving it as much as possible so when they do fitness work in season they are maintaining that high base. Attempting to improve that base in the middle of the season leads to overtraining which is not something we want because it has a high injury risk, how many muscle strains have we had? Rose and Macca immediately spring to mind, how many did we have last season?
You could argue that this is why we faded at the end of last season, we started to burn out and didn't have the squad depth to allow players to rest for a few games.
Spiritater wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:After 8 months of training for 3 hours a day 5 days a week I beg to differ. They just have weak mindset, prevalent from this time last year.
It's the quality of that training that's the issue. We have been 2nd best to most sides this season.
I can say I train for 60 minutes each day walking to work. Don't mean I don't start bowling out my rear end if I have to run to not miss the tram.
You get out what you put in when it comes to training. Either Dempster had a poor regimine or the players had a poor attitude (or a mixture of both) meaning not enough went in and we aren't getting enough out. If it is a poor attitude then Dempster should have noticed it early and stamped it out.
Let's be honest here spiro, if it was mindset don't you think Drewe Broughton would have at least helped? Say what you will about his time here but he's a well respected guy and good at helping players.
You can have the right mindset but if you haven't got the physical fitness to keep up you get left behind. The point of pre season is pushing the players hard on their base fitness. Improving it as much as possible so when they do fitness work in season they are maintaining that high base. Attempting to improve that base in the middle of the season leads to overtraining which is not something we want because it has a high injury risk, how many muscle strains have we had? Rose and Macca immediately spring to mind, how many did we have last season?
You could argue that this is why we faded at the end of last season, we started to burn out and didn't have the squad depth to allow players to rest for a few games.
Making Sunday league errors all season long isn't down to fitness, it's because you're crap. Macc, Morecambe Stevenage aren't down there with us because they had a poor pre season, they're down there cos they're crap like us.
skeglad wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:He's got possibly the hardest job in football.
Prima Donnas on big contracts for L2
Underperforming miserably
Unfit squuad
A lot of contracts up in the summer
Players wanting out
Players knowing their time is up
Players unable to play his preferred way
No confidence
No quality
Hangover from last season
Relegation scrap
Unhappy fan base
But apart from that ??!!!
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