Sedgwick wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Conker wrote:Under absolutely no circumstances should GC not get a chance at next season.
He will get a chance, but if were not top 3 come the end of his first full season he will be replaced with Richard Cooper or Mez! And fans will say he failed twice
we can't be sacking managers if they fail to get promoted with one chance, even if we do miss out next year we actually need to build a squad under him for a couple of seasons I think.
We did exactly that with Flitcroft.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Conker wrote:Under absolutely no circumstances should GC not get a chance at next season.
He will get a chance, but if were not top 3 come the end of his first full season he will be replaced with Richard Cooper or Mez! And fans will say he failed twice
we can't be sacking managers if they fail to get promoted with one chance, even if we do miss out next year we actually need to build a squad under him for a couple of seasons I think.
We did exactly that with Flitcroft.
And I don't think we should do that again with Coughlan, if it happens. He'll build a team next year, miss out on promotion and then a new manager will want a clear out and his own players in. We'll be stuck in a vicious circle
cassellswasmagic wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:Sedgwick wrote:
we can't be sacking managers if they fail to get promoted with one chance, even if we do miss out next year we actually need to build a squad under him for a couple of seasons I think.
We did exactly that with Flitcroft.
We must stick with a manager for the long term gain. We can’t keep binning managers because they just miss out on promotion or play offs. Look at Wycombe as an example of a team nearly going into the conference a few years back!!!
Spiritater wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Some of them only gave Flitcroft 12 games with no transfer window before they wanted him sacked. Then some thought our highest position for over 15 years was "failure" so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
We haven't prepared for this season adequately, hence why we aren't doing too well.
You keep on thrashing this pre season blabber. It's much more than that as to why we've been aso utterly garbage this year. Doing simple things at the right time isn't difficult. Take the O's 2nd, chances to smash it out t'ground... not taken, chance to stop the final cross coming in by CJ... instead just wafts his foot at it aimlessly, chance for Bob to command his six yard box... oh dear
GC's thrust post match was 'mistakes', basic simple Sunday league stuff. I think he's done away with the fitness excuse now as it's wearing thin. He realises now the problem is far worse .
bigalstag wrote:The responsibility for the present shambles begins and ends with the board, and that includes the owners. How anybody can get onto a manager that has been left such a mess, is beyond me. If this team succeeds in getting itself relegated, those at the top have nobody to blame, other than themselves.
As far as players bought in, during the transfer window, he was hardly going to bring costly signings, rather stop gaps, that he can unload in June, if they are not up to the mark.
bobbystagsfan wrote:The coughlan out gang are slowly starting to form on Facebook. Here we go again
EdwinstoweStag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:The coughlan out gang are slowly starting to form on Facebook. Here we go again
I feel sorry for GC.
He’s expected to make silk purse out of a sow’s ear
bobbystagsfan wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:The coughlan out gang are slowly starting to form on Facebook. Here we go again
I feel sorry for GC.
He’s expected to make silk purse out of a sow’s ear
By some fans he is, I would imagine he's been told by the board to just stop up this season and go again in the summer
Jimstag wrote:We said at the very start that we can’t fully judge Coughlan until next Christmas when he’s had a decent run of games with his own squad. We all know this group isn’t up to it and he’s not had the opportunity to change it.
As for his experience he’s turned around a poor Bristol Rovers side and shown potential while there, let him have a fair chance to do it again.
Berryhillstagno1 wrote:I see a manager who inside is absolutely seething at the performances. If you go on e Bay you'll see a book which a Plymouth fan wrote with our manager highlighting his early playing promotions. This is a man who is a winner in every club he has played for. I see his pain and frustration who like his predecessors is trying all he has learnt to change the mindset within this club. If he could be candid about the set up it wouldn't be pleasant reading.
gazza1988 wrote:Jimstag wrote:We said at the very start that we can’t fully judge Coughlan until next Christmas when he’s had a decent run of games with his own squad. We all know this group isn’t up to it and he’s not had the opportunity to change it.
As for his experience he’s turned around a poor Bristol Rovers side and shown potential while there, let him have a fair chance to do it again.
Further to this, GC has experience in the backroom staff.
At Shrewsbury he did some coaching and managed the reserves between 2008-2010, whilst also playing.
He joined Southend in 2010 and was player/reserve manager until 2011 when he signed a 2 year deal making him player/assistant manager. Once that deal ran out he was made first team coach and quit playing.
In 2018 he moved to Bristol as a first team coach. He was made caretaker manager in December that year, he was given the job permanently. Got Bristol to a surprise 4th spot halfway through the season and then came here.
That is plenty of experience in dealing with professional footballers on the other side of the white line. We fast tracked Dempster past alot of that.
That's nearly 12 years experience in some kind of coaching role.
Woodclanger 1 wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Jimstag wrote:We said at the very start that we can’t fully judge Coughlan until next Christmas when he’s had a decent run of games with his own squad. We all know this group isn’t up to it and he’s not had the opportunity to change it.
As for his experience he’s turned around a poor Bristol Rovers side and shown potential while there, let him have a fair chance to do it again.
Further to this, GC has experience in the backroom staff.
At Shrewsbury he did some coaching and managed the reserves between 2008-2010, whilst also playing.
He joined Southend in 2010 and was player/reserve manager until 2011 when he signed a 2 year deal making him player/assistant manager. Once that deal ran out he was made first team coach and quit playing.
In 2018 he moved to Bristol as a first team coach. He was made caretaker manager in December that year, he was given the job permanently. Got Bristol to a surprise 4th spot halfway through the season and then came here.
That is plenty of experience in dealing with professional footballers on the other side of the white line. We fast tracked Dempster past alot of that.
That's nearly 12 years experience in some kind of coaching role.
Unfortunately for many his 'coaching' doesn't seem to be in 'football' but more akin to 'hoofball' and it ain't pretty to watch, especially when it's not remotely near working.
If I remember correctly The Gas fans said he did a great job but attendances still dropped off under him, it's not hard to see why.
gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Some of them only gave Flitcroft 12 games with no transfer window before they wanted him sacked. Then some thought our highest position for over 15 years was "failure" so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
We haven't prepared for this season adequately, hence why we aren't doing too well.
You keep on thrashing this pre season blabber. It's much more than that as to why we've been aso utterly garbage this year. Doing simple things at the right time isn't difficult. Take the O's 2nd, chances to smash it out t'ground... not taken, chance to stop the final cross coming in by CJ... instead just wafts his foot at it aimlessly, chance for Bob to command his six yard box... oh dear
GC's thrust post match was 'mistakes', basic simple Sunday league stuff. I think he's done away with the fitness excuse now as it's wearing thin. He realises now the problem is far worse .
Lack of adequate preparation leads to tiredness during games. Tiredness during games leads to a lack of concentration. A lack of concentration leads to mistakes. Mistakes leads to chances for the opposition.
Put it this way. If someone gets behind the wheel of a car and is tired then they could make a mistake that is costly. We're doing the same. This season is akin to a car crash.
Look at the side that started last night. Bar 2 players, it's the same side that got us 4th last season, now we're 4th bottom. The 2 players are Riley and Maynard. Not exactly poor signings ability wise. We get White back and its the same side except Maynard instead of Walker. The fact we are now on the 2nd manager since last season and nothing has changed then its clear the problem lies with the fitness and poor pre season.
MTFCMusings wrote:Jamie wrote:Hardly a myth. He been a manager how long? 14 months? He kept up a failing side, rode that wave this season and left to join us.
Of course he needs a full pre season and the chance to build his own side. But so far hes not delivered and has failed his first objective of turning round a capable but failing side.
Fingers crossed for next year but losing faith rapidly. Especially when we know it's going to be more hoof ball.
So if he keeps up this failing side (which you say is capable but has arguably been failing for 9 months, possibly more) and 'rides the wave' as you put it next season, will that be alright for you or will that just be lucky? You don't 'ride the wave' to 4th in League One without some capability. Rovers have done terribly since he left, much worse than us, so he must have been having some impact.
I am a dull and simple ladpart time pete wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Some of them only gave Flitcroft 12 games with no transfer window before they wanted him sacked. Then some thought our highest position for over 15 years was "failure" so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
We haven't prepared for this season adequately, hence why we aren't doing too well.
You keep on thrashing this pre season blabber. It's much more than that as to why we've been aso utterly garbage this year. Doing simple things at the right time isn't difficult. Take the O's 2nd, chances to smash it out t'ground... not taken, chance to stop the final cross coming in by CJ... instead just wafts his foot at it aimlessly, chance for Bob to command his six yard box... oh dear
GC's thrust post match was 'mistakes', basic simple Sunday league stuff. I think he's done away with the fitness excuse now as it's wearing thin. He realises now the problem is far worse .
Lack of adequate preparation leads to tiredness during games. Tiredness during games leads to a lack of concentration. A lack of concentration leads to mistakes. Mistakes leads to chances for the opposition.
Put it this way. If someone gets behind the wheel of a car and is tired then they could make a mistake that is costly. We're doing the same. This season is akin to a car crash.
Look at the side that started last night. Bar 2 players, it's the same side that got us 4th last season, now we're 4th bottom. The 2 players are Riley and Maynard. Not exactly poor signings ability wise. We get White back and its the same side except Maynard instead of Walker. The fact we are now on the 2nd manager since last season and nothing has changed then its clear the problem lies with the fitness and poor pre season.
I cant remember Watts playing for us last season
part time pete wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Spiritater wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Some of them only gave Flitcroft 12 games with no transfer window before they wanted him sacked. Then some thought our highest position for over 15 years was "failure" so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
We haven't prepared for this season adequately, hence why we aren't doing too well.
You keep on thrashing this pre season blabber. It's much more than that as to why we've been aso utterly garbage this year. Doing simple things at the right time isn't difficult. Take the O's 2nd, chances to smash it out t'ground... not taken, chance to stop the final cross coming in by CJ... instead just wafts his foot at it aimlessly, chance for Bob to command his six yard box... oh dear
GC's thrust post match was 'mistakes', basic simple Sunday league stuff. I think he's done away with the fitness excuse now as it's wearing thin. He realises now the problem is far worse .
Lack of adequate preparation leads to tiredness during games. Tiredness during games leads to a lack of concentration. A lack of concentration leads to mistakes. Mistakes leads to chances for the opposition.
Put it this way. If someone gets behind the wheel of a car and is tired then they could make a mistake that is costly. We're doing the same. This season is akin to a car crash.
Look at the side that started last night. Bar 2 players, it's the same side that got us 4th last season, now we're 4th bottom. The 2 players are Riley and Maynard. Not exactly poor signings ability wise. We get White back and its the same side except Maynard instead of Walker. The fact we are now on the 2nd manager since last season and nothing has changed then its clear the problem lies with the fitness and poor pre season.
I cant remember Watts playing for us last season
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