Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
Have you worked out what a tasce is yet by the way?
Mustache and moustache
Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
Have you worked out what a tasce is yet by the way?
STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
Have you worked out what a tasce is yet by the way?
Mustache and moustache
Dan wrote:STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
Have you worked out what a tasce is yet by the way?
Mustache and moustache
That would be tache then
STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:Dan wrote:STAGS FOR LIFE wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
Have you worked out what a tasce is yet by the way?
Mustache and moustache
That would be tache then
He can spell how he wants , might have is own special meaning for spelling it that way
kevin kents tasce wrote:Its a misspelled word from when I set the account up. I have grown quite fond of it though and don't lack self esteem enough to worry about it or spend loads of time on football forums acting out land seeking attention like a four year old who isn't getting their own way.
Let me know when you have an opinion on the football though as I will gladly debate it.
kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
kevin kents tasce wrote:I have seen you telling Jamie about how he knows nothing about the Dearden situation from nearly 20 years ago.
I have also seen you dismiss his opinion because he has a different opinion about Keith Haslam than you do, before trying to engage others to go go against him too.
You have consistently demonstrated an inability to consider anyone elses point of view for as long as I can remember and your doing it again.
Other than the fact that you take photo's at Meadow Lane, how do you know what happened with Dearden any better than Jamie does?
kevin kents tasce wrote:Every single one of your posts on this thread is a response to Jamie with the sole purpose of arguing with him. You (and a couple of others) persistently spoil threads by twisting every opposing view into a childish argument. That's why I raised it
Re the Dearden situation,- if that's what Billy told you then fair enough. I will say though that this does not make it a fact. It makes it third hand information and it tells one person's side of the story.
My opinion happens to be the same as Jamie. He shouldn't have been offered a new contract until promotion had been secured.
What is a fact is that in addition to having one of the best Mansfield teams I have ever witnessed in his first full reign, he also got us relegated with a reasonably talented squad which included around half a dozen players who went on to play at a decent level.
This shows that Haslam might have been being quite astute by holding off from giving him a contract, because in honesty he was a very average manager.
Haslam made Bill Dearden's job as manager very difficult. Bill Dearden was definitely not an average manager. I'm confident had Bill Dearden had the benefit of an owner like John Radford when he was manager the club would have prospered.kevin kents tasce wrote:Every single one of your posts on this thread is a response to Jamie with the sole purpose of arguing with him. You (and a couple of others) persistently spoil threads by twisting every opposing view into a childish argument. That's why I raised it
Re the Dearden situation,- if that's what Billy told you then fair enough. I will say though that this does not make it a fact. It makes it third hand information and it tells one person's side of the story.
My opinion happens to be the same as Jamie. He shouldn't have been offered a new contract until promotion had been secured.
What is a fact is that in addition to having one of the best Mansfield teams I have ever witnessed in his first full reign, he also got us relegated with a reasonably talented squad which included around half a dozen players who went on to play at a decent level.
This shows that Haslam might have been being quite astute by holding off from giving him a contract, because in honesty he was a very average manager.
kevin kents tasce wrote:I am sure working under Haslam would have been very difficult Andy.
He worked under him twice though, with very different results. With a back 4 which included Mullins, Baptists and Buxton, a midfield including Steven Dawson and Mickey Bounding up front, he should have done better second time around in my opinion. The big failure that season was failing to bring in a decent goalkeeper.
Back to Paul Cox, I felt sorry for him when JR slashed the budget after taking us up and then getting us to 11th place. I reckon if he had been given the kind of backing some of our recent managers had he might have had a serious run at promotion.
Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Its a misspelled word from when I set the account up. I have grown quite fond of it though and don't lack self esteem enough to worry about it or spend loads of time on football forums acting out land seeking attention like a four year old who isn't getting their own way.
Let me know when you have an opinion on the football though as I will gladly debate it.
No you won't. I've written lots of football things in this thread and all you've done is single me out yet again for criticism by saying this:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
So no football debate in there at all. Just a completely pointless post just to have a pop hiding behind a fake name. Boring.
Amber Andy wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:I am sure working under Haslam would have been very difficult Andy.
He worked under him twice though, with very different results. With a back 4 which included Mullins, Baptists and Buxton, a midfield including Steven Dawson and Mickey Bounding up front, he should have done better second time around in my opinion. The big failure that season was failing to bring in a decent goalkeeper.
Back to Paul Cox, I felt sorry for him when JR slashed the budget after taking us up and then getting us to 11th place. I reckon if he had been given the kind of backing some of our recent managers had he might have had a serious run at promotion.
The second spell Bill Dearden was forced to sell players. A prime example was the forced sale of Richard Barker to Hartlepool. Barker was reluctant to leave, mainly because he had children at school in the area. He was settled and had signed a contract extension until the end of 2009. As you will know Richard Barker was an influential captain and prolific goalscorer for the Stags. He was also forced to sell Baptiste although by that time we were doomed.
Bill Dearden had players lined up to help the relegation fight but didn't get the blessing of the chairman, maybe one of those was an experienced goalkeeper, which I agree we sadly lacked. He had cheaper signings lined up but wasn't given the go ahead to sign them. He had to look for bargain basement signings, one of which was Michael Boulding who he signed from a club well down the pyramid ( Sheffield Club).
I totally agree with you about Paul Cox.
Sedgwick wrote:Dan wrote:kevin kents tasce wrote:Its a misspelled word from when I set the account up. I have grown quite fond of it though and don't lack self esteem enough to worry about it or spend loads of time on football forums acting out land seeking attention like a four year old who isn't getting their own way.
Let me know when you have an opinion on the football though as I will gladly debate it.
No you won't. I've written lots of football things in this thread and all you've done is single me out yet again for criticism by saying this:kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
So no football debate in there at all. Just a completely pointless post just to have a pop hiding behind a fake name. Boring.
Dan you're like a child. Grow up and stop arguing with everyone.
Every thread is the same, have a day off. It's ruining the forum
Jamie wrote:I ask again, why on earth would Haslam not renew his contract come the end of the season?
He might well have said no at the time but even Haslam isnt stupid enough to let his promotion winning manager leave for free for no reason.
Dan, just because BD told you Haslam said he wouldnt be getting a new deal. Doesnt make it the whole truth. There is no way it's as simple as your making out. Your only going on what you were told by someone looking to protect his reputation having done the dirty.
I stand by my view. He was wrong IMO to leave but did so because Haslam was foolish, ok. But to come back under the same owner in a worse situation when the fans were very active against the owner just stinks and shows he was all about the money and nothing more. If that's the case fine he had to earn a crust but that doesn't mean I should respect his decisions.
Jamie wrote:I ask again, why on earth would Haslam not renew his contract come the end of the season?
He might well have said no at the time but even Haslam isnt stupid enough to let his promotion winning manager leave for free for no reason.
Dan, just because BD told you Haslam said he wouldnt be getting a new deal. Doesnt make it the whole truth. There is no way it's as simple as your making out. Your only going on what you were told by someone looking to protect his reputation having done the dirty.
I stand by my view. He was wrong IMO to leave but did so because Haslam was foolish, ok. But to come back under the same owner in a worse situation when the fans were very active against the owner just stinks and shows he was all about the money and nothing more. If that's the case fine he had to earn a crust but that doesn't mean I should respect his decisions.
Jamie wrote:I ask again, why on earth would Haslam not renew his contract come the end of the season?
He might well have said no at the time but even Haslam isnt stupid enough to let his promotion winning manager leave for free for no reason.
Dan, just because BD told you Haslam said he wouldnt be getting a new deal. Doesnt make it the whole truth. There is no way it's as simple as your making out. Your only going on what you were told by someone looking to protect his reputation having done the dirty.
I stand by my view. He was wrong IMO to leave but did so because Haslam was foolish, ok. But to come back under the same owner in a worse situation when the fans were very active against the owner just stinks and shows he was all about the money and nothing more. If that's the case fine he had to earn a crust but that doesn't mean I should respect his decisions.
Jamie wrote:Rob, so your account doesn't match Dans... What you've describes sounds right to me. He asked for a deal there and then, didn't get one so went to our rivals.
Dan wrote:Also I've told you numerous times on here but you choose to ignore it, but Billy was told he WOULDN'T be getting an extension at the end of the season and that is why he went to Notts. Believe it or not, that's up to you, but it came right from the horses mouth at his press conference unveiling as Notts manager.
Jamie wrote:Just so we're all clear. I don't, never have and never will 'love' Haslam. He wasn't a good owner, he took profits out of this club that held us back (i simply argued that was his right, it was - he owned the business), he made decisions that cost us as a club and himself financially in the long run (not investing enough when we got promoted & having to sell up following the relegation that he in part caused - although fans didn't help that by starving the club of cash).
I'll never forgive Billy and never liked Haslam. Move on.
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