Hjeldefan wrote:Anyone who doesn't rate Cox as a manager is truly the clueless one. Our only manager who actually achieved anything of note for the last 15 years or so. Even when we got back in the league he did well considering, plus he is a lovely bloke and actually cared about the club.
Grendon Stag wrote:Hjeldefan wrote:Anyone who doesn't rate Cox as a manager is truly the clueless one. Our only manager who actually achieved anything of note for the last 15 years or so. Even when we got back in the league he did well considering, plus he is a lovely bloke and actually cared about the club.
Very good manager in Non League but his football during his last season in the EFL would have sent a glass eye to sleep.
Jamie wrote:Curle got his team to the play offs. Some see that as a failure but following a relegation and with the budget he had I think it was a decent season.
Cox will rightly be remembered as a legend for getting us out of the hell hole conference. Dan's had a little hissy fit about my use of the word lucky. Perhaps lucky isnt right or fair but the turnaround and run we went on was certainly against the grain and kinda came out of nowhere. Many were ready to see him sacked in the Novemeber and we were miles off. The season before the same, but the post Christmas form did improve and we got the play offs.
As for Dearden. Show me his record... He didnt nothing outside of the 4/5 month period before he left. Many people credit Watkiss for half of that side and if was him who did the hard part and actually achieved something... I will always lose respect for anyone who goes from us to our rivals. Even more so given our position and theirs at the time. There is no way he wouldnt have been given an extension at some point. County aside, fine he left because of Haslam, but to then 'forgive all' and come back under him and oversea the start of the end of our league status doesnt sit well. I guess money talks? But what does that say about both parties. The football when he came back was awful 50/50 football with no plan, direction or chance of working- much like recently under JD. Hes a nice bloke, a knowledgeable football man no doubt but I'll never be able to really forgive what he did.
All that aside. It often feels like its luck. Some managers do well at one club only to fail at the next. The same ideas and methods work one week, month or season and not the next. Football and the results that ultimately drive the merry go round, is unpredictable and even more so at this level. Form can be everything and it can seemingly change for no reason.
With hindsight we shouldn't have sacked DF. But having done that it was wrong to appoint JD and right to replace him.
Jamie wrote:Perhaps lucky isnt right or fair but the turnaround and run we went on was certainly against the grain and kinda came out of nowhere. Many were ready to see him sacked in the Novemeber and we were miles off. The season before the same, but the post Christmas form did improve and we got the play offs
Jamie wrote:Curle got his team to the play offs. Some see that as a failure but following a relegation and with the budget he had I think it was a decent season.
Cox will rightly be remembered as a legend for getting us out of the hell hole conference. Dan's had a little hissy fit about my use of the word lucky. Perhaps lucky isnt right or fair but the turnaround and run we went on was certainly against the grain and kinda came out of nowhere. Many were ready to see him sacked in the Novemeber and we were miles off. The season before the same, but the post Christmas form did improve and we got the play offs.
As for Dearden. Show me his record... He didnt nothing outside of the 4/5 month period before he left. Many people credit Watkiss for half of that side and if was him who did the hard part and actually achieved something... I will always lose respect for anyone who goes from us to our rivals. Even more so given our position and theirs at the time. There is no way he wouldnt have been given an extension at some point. County aside, fine he left because of Haslam, but to then 'forgive all' and come back under him and oversea the start of the end of our league status doesnt sit well. I guess money talks? But what does that say about both parties. The football when he came back was awful 50/50 football with no plan, direction or chance of working- much like recently under JD. Hes a nice bloke, a knowledgeable football man no doubt but I'll never be able to really forgive what he did.
All that aside. It often feels like its luck. Some managers do well at one club only to fail at the next. The same ideas and methods work one week, month or season and not the next. Football and the results that ultimately drive the merry go round, is unpredictable and even more so at this level. Form can be everything and it can seemingly change for no reason.
With hindsight we shouldn't have sacked DF. But having done that it was wrong to appoint JD and right to replace him.
kevin kents tasce wrote:Cox did a great job. He led us to a very respectable 11th in his first season in the EFL before his budget was slashed to less than half of the budget enjoyed by Evans, Flitcroft and Dempster.
The idea that the bad form in his last season was purely his fault is ludicrous. He was working on an absolute shoe string, leaving us shopping in Poundland whilst the competition were shopping in Waitrose
gazza1988 wrote:Cj Hamilton on for nicky Maynard.
Brave.
The One wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Cj Hamilton on for nicky Maynard.
Brave.
Is it me or you on wrong thread gazza
Dan wrote:Jamie wrote:Curle got his team to the play offs. Some see that as a failure but following a relegation and with the budget he had I think it was a decent season.
Cox will rightly be remembered as a legend for getting us out of the hell hole conference. Dan's had a little hissy fit about my use of the word lucky. Perhaps lucky isnt right or fair but the turnaround and run we went on was certainly against the grain and kinda came out of nowhere. Many were ready to see him sacked in the Novemeber and we were miles off. The season before the same, but the post Christmas form did improve and we got the play offs.
As for Dearden. Show me his record... He didnt nothing outside of the 4/5 month period before he left. Many people credit Watkiss for half of that side and if was him who did the hard part and actually achieved something... I will always lose respect for anyone who goes from us to our rivals. Even more so given our position and theirs at the time. There is no way he wouldnt have been given an extension at some point. County aside, fine he left because of Haslam, but to then 'forgive all' and come back under him and oversea the start of the end of our league status doesnt sit well. I guess money talks? But what does that say about both parties. The football when he came back was awful 50/50 football with no plan, direction or chance of working- much like recently under JD. Hes a nice bloke, a knowledgeable football man no doubt but I'll never be able to really forgive what he did.
All that aside. It often feels like its luck. Some managers do well at one club only to fail at the next. The same ideas and methods work one week, month or season and not the next. Football and the results that ultimately drive the merry go round, is unpredictable and even more so at this level. Form can be everything and it can seemingly change for no reason.
With hindsight we shouldn't have sacked DF. But having done that it was wrong to appoint JD and right to replace him.
Beep beep beep this vehicle is reversing
Also I've told you numerous times on here but you choose to ignore it, but Billy was told he WOULDN'T be getting an extension at the end of the season and that is why he went to Notts. Believe it or not, that's up to you, but it came right from the horses mouth at his press conference unveiling as Notts manager.
Jamie wrote:Dan wrote:Jamie wrote:Curle got his team to the play offs. Some see that as a failure but following a relegation and with the budget he had I think it was a decent season.
Cox will rightly be remembered as a legend for getting us out of the hell hole conference. Dan's had a little hissy fit about my use of the word lucky. Perhaps lucky isnt right or fair but the turnaround and run we went on was certainly against the grain and kinda came out of nowhere. Many were ready to see him sacked in the Novemeber and we were miles off. The season before the same, but the post Christmas form did improve and we got the play offs.
As for Dearden. Show me his record... He didnt nothing outside of the 4/5 month period before he left. Many people credit Watkiss for half of that side and if was him who did the hard part and actually achieved something... I will always lose respect for anyone who goes from us to our rivals. Even more so given our position and theirs at the time. There is no way he wouldnt have been given an extension at some point. County aside, fine he left because of Haslam, but to then 'forgive all' and come back under him and oversea the start of the end of our league status doesnt sit well. I guess money talks? But what does that say about both parties. The football when he came back was awful 50/50 football with no plan, direction or chance of working- much like recently under JD. Hes a nice bloke, a knowledgeable football man no doubt but I'll never be able to really forgive what he did.
All that aside. It often feels like its luck. Some managers do well at one club only to fail at the next. The same ideas and methods work one week, month or season and not the next. Football and the results that ultimately drive the merry go round, is unpredictable and even more so at this level. Form can be everything and it can seemingly change for no reason.
With hindsight we shouldn't have sacked DF. But having done that it was wrong to appoint JD and right to replace him.
Beep beep beep this vehicle is reversing
Also I've told you numerous times on here but you choose to ignore it, but Billy was told he WOULDN'T be getting an extension at the end of the season and that is why he went to Notts. Believe it or not, that's up to you, but it came right from the horses mouth at his press conference unveiling as Notts manager.
So you think Haslam would just let his promotion achieving manager walk for no reason what so ever when his deal expired come the summer? Your hate for the man makes you incapable of rational thought... it always has.
There isnt a single reason why he wouldnt have been kept if hed just taken us up. Clearly he wanted a deal there and then and was rightly told to wait till you've achieved something. And rightly so. If that makes me a Haslam apologist or the devil i dont care one bit.
Jamie wrote:If you think the manager holding the club to ransom is ok then we'll have to agree to disagree. No need for personal abuse either way. Debate like an adult or dont bother.
Woodclanger 1 wrote:Jamie wrote:If you think the manager holding the club to ransom is ok then we'll have to agree to disagree. No need for personal abuse either way. Debate like an adult or dont bother.
And you know how much he wanted do you, another "in the know"
Dan wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:Jamie wrote:If you think the manager holding the club to ransom is ok then we'll have to agree to disagree. No need for personal abuse either way. Debate like an adult or dont bother.
And you know how much he wanted do you, another "in the know"
He knows nothing. I’ve told him so many times over the years but he’s that far up H*slams arse he can’t see. BD wasn’t holding anyone to ransom. His contract ended at the end of the season so he asked if he would be getting a new one, he was told he wasn’t which was absolutely ridiculous & when it got out Notts County made an approach for him and he went there. Who can blame him. He lived in chesterfield so it was another job on his doorstep at a bigger club. Anyone with a brain would’ve taken the job, maybe even you Jamie.
Jamie Bill Dearden has a lot of affection for MTFC, despite Haslam making his job a nightmare.Jamie wrote:If you think the manager holding the club to ransom is ok then we'll have to agree to disagree. No need for personal abuse either way. Debate like an adult or dont bother.
kevin kents tasce wrote:Another thread resulting in argument and name calling. Another thread where Dan is in the thick of it
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