oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
Sneag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
You're missing the point. When education delivers, the town doesn't.
Even when I was a kid & there were plentiful decent paying jobs in the pits. This town's brightest kids got into uni and the vast majority never came back because there was nothing for graduates.
It's great that Amazon will create jobs, but the town has been a low pay ghetto for 30 years now & warehouse jobs won't change that.
The town is in desperate need of higher quality higher paying jobs and the disposable income of the people in those jobs. It's not rocket science.
oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
bellwhiff wrote:Sneag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
You're missing the point. When education delivers, the town doesn't.
Even when I was a kid & there were plentiful decent paying jobs in the pits. This town's brightest kids got into uni and the vast majority never came back because there was nothing for graduates.
It's great that Amazon will create jobs, but the town has been a low pay ghetto for 30 years now & warehouse jobs won't change that.
The town is in desperate need of higher quality higher paying jobs and the disposable income of the people in those jobs. It's not rocket science.
My choice was pit or the military. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to ex miners but I wasn’t doing that.
NorthLondonStag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
I can only speak from personal experience so shoot me down if you want to.
I was at Sherwood Hall and no special background and went to uni from there. I ended up in the legal profession so it can be done if you want to work.
Still listening to or watching the stags most weeks.
Sneag wrote:NorthLondonStag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
I can only speak from personal experience so shoot me down if you want to.
I was at Sherwood Hall and no special background and went to uni from there. I ended up in the legal profession so it can be done if you want to work.
Still listening to or watching the stags most weeks.
Can I ask, why you are now NorthLondonStag?
Not being funny, this sort of illustrates my point. We hemorrhage talent and have done as far back as I can remember.
NorthLondonStag wrote:Sneag wrote:NorthLondonStag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
I can only speak from personal experience so shoot me down if you want to.
I was at Sherwood Hall and no special background and went to uni from there. I ended up in the legal profession so it can be done if you want to work.
Still listening to or watching the stags most weeks.
Can I ask, why you are now NorthLondonStag?
Not being funny, this sort of illustrates my point. We hemorrhage talent and have done as far back as I can remember.
You are not being funny. Your question is sensible and should always be asked.
I wanted to do finance law so I went to London in the mid 90s. Mansfield didn’t offer that and that’s what I wanted to do. My parents still live in Mansfield.
My wife is from the east of England and my kids are
London based. They don’t want to move to
Mansfield. I can confidently say they are the only
Mansfield fans at their school! We have season tickets and my oldest boy goes to most of the away games. He loves going and would rather go to Mansfield than Arsenal.
NorthLondonStag wrote:I actually had a chat with him and said it would be a lifetime disappointment and he might be better off with Arsenal. He went for Mansfield and is currently asking if I’ve booked for Morecambe.
Sneag wrote:NorthLondonStag wrote:oldweststander wrote:Until attitudes change and education delivers nothing will change.
Schools tell their pupils you can't fail, but so many do.
Some schools don't allow competitive sports, isn't life one big con petition.
Many parents, not just from deprived areas, never have a conversation with their offspring.
It just goes on and on.
For now Amazon looks great, embrace it, it's work, something so many young people have no experience of.
I can only speak from personal experience so shoot me down if you want to.
I was at Sherwood Hall and no special background and went to uni from there. I ended up in the legal profession so it can be done if you want to work.
Still listening to or watching the stags most weeks.
Can I ask, why you are now NorthLondonStag?
Not being funny, this sort of illustrates my point. We hemorrhage talent and have done as far back as I can remember.
oldweststander wrote:Well that started something and I am pleased it did.
Mansfield will never attract high tech industries, the raw materials, people, are not here.
Standards of education, housing etc attract investment, our town has in general low educational attainment, with individual exceptions of course, with 60% of housing in band A for council tax. Council tax banding is one measure of a town's prosperity and is used by prospective investors to give them some idea as to the quality the local workforce is likely to be.
Hence Amazon, low skilled, low pay work.
oldweststander wrote:Well that started something and I am pleased it did.
Mansfield will never attract high tech industries, the raw materials, people, are not here.
Standards of education, housing etc attract investment, our town has in general low educational attainment, with individual exceptions of course, with 60% of housing in band A for council tax. Council tax banding is one measure of a town's prosperity and is used by prospective investors to give them some idea as to the quality the local workforce is likely to be.
Hence Amazon, low skilled, low pay work.
victor A block wrote: And despite a central geographical location, and the unconvincing bluster of our MP, our transport links are dire. A Thomas the Tank branch line that goes nowhere, three M1 connections that are constantly clogged and not fit for purpose, and no major airport reasonably close.
The town centre has had no respective development plan or substantial regeneration since the demise of the mining industry, just infighting between parties of influence. Those with good disposable income that live in the area avoid the town altogether. It continues to decline.
Mansfield has been let down for many years by development corps, all its MP's including the current one, the council, and all other parties. There is no strategic plan.
Jamie wrote:victor A block wrote: And despite a central geographical location, and the unconvincing bluster of our MP, our transport links are dire. A Thomas the Tank branch line that goes nowhere, three M1 connections that are constantly clogged and not fit for purpose, and no major airport reasonably close.
The town centre has had no respective development plan or substantial regeneration since the demise of the mining industry, just infighting between parties of influence. Those with good disposable income that live in the area avoid the town altogether. It continues to decline.
Mansfield has been let down for many years by development corps, all its MP's including the current one, the council, and all other parties. There is no strategic plan.
We have an international airport within 45 minutes of us. Another bigger one an hour an a bit away. The M1 and A1 links, whilst clogged, are a major asset hence all the warehousing we get in the area. The MP has been a breath of fresh air and done more for our town in 3 years than Meale ticket did in 30. He also doesn't control the purse strings. The town centre has had a decent overhaul and empty shops aside (national issue btw) look ok and IS used by people with disposable income (myself for example). More money for town centre improvements has also been won recently.
We have a good college, big cities within easy comminute and a train link to the closest one. There are plenty of tech jobs in reachable distance and a fair few in the town.
Your negativity and blindness to the truth may be part of the problem.
victor A block wrote:Jamie wrote:victor A block wrote: And despite a central geographical location, and the unconvincing bluster of our MP, our transport links are dire. A Thomas the Tank branch line that goes nowhere, three M1 connections that are constantly clogged and not fit for purpose, and no major airport reasonably close.
The town centre has had no respective development plan or substantial regeneration since the demise of the mining industry, just infighting between parties of influence. Those with good disposable income that live in the area avoid the town altogether. It continues to decline.
Mansfield has been let down for many years by development corps, all its MP's including the current one, the council, and all other parties. There is no strategic plan.
We have an international airport within 45 minutes of us. Another bigger one an hour an a bit away. The M1 and A1 links, whilst clogged, are a major asset hence all the warehousing we get in the area. The MP has been a breath of fresh air and done more for our town in 3 years than Meale ticket did in 30. He also doesn't control the purse strings. The town centre has had a decent overhaul and empty shops aside (national issue btw) look ok and IS used by people with disposable income (myself for example). More money for town centre improvements has also been won recently.
We have a good college, big cities within easy comminute and a train link to the closest one. There are plenty of tech jobs in reachable distance and a fair few in the town.
Your negativity and blindness to the truth may be part of the problem.
Wow. Really? Town centre overhaul. Where? . Moving a few market stalls. Great. The reality ( and I'm down there every day as i have a business there, is MORE empty shops, MORE homeless, LESS footfall, LESS quality shops.
This isn't political as Meale was useless, but Bradley has done ZERO in 3 years for Mansfield town centre, its investment or regeneration. He HAS made plenty of promises of pots of gold that never come to fruition though, so if your happy with that...... you've fallen for the spin.
EdwinstoweStag wrote:victor A block wrote:Jamie wrote:victor A block wrote: And despite a central geographical location, and the unconvincing bluster of our MP, our transport links are dire. A Thomas the Tank branch line that goes nowhere, three M1 connections that are constantly clogged and not fit for purpose, and no major airport reasonably close.
The town centre has had no respective development plan or substantial regeneration since the demise of the mining industry, just infighting between parties of influence. Those with good disposable income that live in the area avoid the town altogether. It continues to decline.
Mansfield has been let down for many years by development corps, all its MP's including the current one, the council, and all other parties. There is no strategic plan.
We have an international airport within 45 minutes of us. Another bigger one an hour an a bit away. The M1 and A1 links, whilst clogged, are a major asset hence all the warehousing we get in the area. The MP has been a breath of fresh air and done more for our town in 3 years than Meale ticket did in 30. He also doesn't control the purse strings. The town centre has had a decent overhaul and empty shops aside (national issue btw) look ok and IS used by people with disposable income (myself for example). More money for town centre improvements has also been won recently.
We have a good college, big cities within easy comminute and a train link to the closest one. There are plenty of tech jobs in reachable distance and a fair few in the town.
Your negativity and blindness to the truth may be part of the problem.
Wow. Really? Town centre overhaul. Where? . Moving a few market stalls. Great. The reality ( and I'm down there every day as i have a business there, is MORE empty shops, MORE homeless, LESS footfall, LESS quality shops.
This isn't political as Meale was useless, but Bradley has done ZERO in 3 years for Mansfield town centre, its investment or regeneration. He HAS made plenty of promises of pots of gold that never come to fruition though, so if your happy with that...... you've fallen for the spin.
It’s been a Schitt-hole for years. I cannot see any improvement.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Ben Bradley is a complete an utter wazzack and I told him what I thought of him and his voting history in the House when I saw him at field mill.
Full of hot air.
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