Sedgwick wrote:Hes had a lot of unnecessary abuse but how on earth did he get lobbed from that header??
MTFCMAD wrote:Sedgwick wrote:Hes had a lot of unnecessary abuse but how on earth did he get lobbed from that header??
The defence in front of him hasn't been great this season so far but having said that i think he could of done alot better with 3 of the 6 goals hes conceded.
Labadies Goal on the opening day seem to trickle in at 2mph logan basically did an impersonation of a seal doing a side belly flop to save it.
Allesandras goal at the weekend getting caught in no mans land.
Now the looping header last night from Old.
I dont mind keepers making the odd mistake at this level but its all becoming too often now
victor A block wrote:All of us have differing views on Logan.
The more important perspective is from the players.
In the 2 games with Morecambe he's had rows on the pitch with both Pearce and White after the second goals were conceeded, with the defenders clearly unhappy with him.
(Although of course they could also be doing better themselves)
If the defenders in front don't trust him, its going to end in tears.
Stags 2002 wrote:victor A block wrote:All of us have differing views on Logan.
The more important perspective is from the players.
In the 2 games with Morecambe he's had rows on the pitch with both Pearce and White after the second goals were conceeded, with the defenders clearly unhappy with him.
(Although of course they could also be doing better themselves)
If the defenders in front don't trust him, its going to end in tears.
We've been here before though as I remember Pearce having a bust up with Logan before and flatly refusing to pass back to him.
He's been dropped a few times in the past, for Bobby a few times and when Jordan smith signed.
It feels like ground hog day though. Read Martins player ratings in August for 2017 and 2018 for those early season games it's the same again this season. It depends if JD is strong enough to change when needed.
EdwinstoweStag wrote:I’m really not qualified to judge whether Conrad is of suitable quality for our league, but there is increasing evidence that there is a low level of confidence from his defence that he has enough command of his box.
By comparison, most of our opponents’ custodians seem more capable.
Martin Shaw wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:I’m really not qualified to judge whether Conrad is of suitable quality for our league, but there is increasing evidence that there is a low level of confidence from his defence that he has enough command of his box.
By comparison, most of our opponents’ custodians seem more capable.
Plainly not so at all.
The Newport goalkeeper's howler in letting Rose's goal in in the the first match was 10 times worse than any mistake Logan has made this season.
The Morecambe goalkeeper pushing out MacDonald's shot back into play for Maynard to knock into the net was also a much worse mistake than any of Logan's.
WVStag wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:I’m really not qualified to judge whether Conrad is of suitable quality for our league, but there is increasing evidence that there is a low level of confidence from his defence that he has enough command of his box.
By comparison, most of our opponents’ custodians seem more capable.
Plainly not so at all.
The Newport goalkeeper's howler in letting Rose's goal in in the the first match was 10 times worse than any mistake Logan has made this season.
The Morecambe goalkeeper pushing out MacDonald's shot back into play for Maynard to knock into the net was also a much worse mistake than any of Logan's.
Martin, Conrad Logan has cost us A LOT of points over the past two seasons with his antics, so I hope that referencing two mistakes from opposing keepers in games we’ve recently played against them is not a legitimate attempt at vouching for Logan’s ability.
Martin Shaw wrote:WVStag wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:I’m really not qualified to judge whether Conrad is of suitable quality for our league, but there is increasing evidence that there is a low level of confidence from his defence that he has enough command of his box.
By comparison, most of our opponents’ custodians seem more capable.
Plainly not so at all.
The Newport goalkeeper's howler in letting Rose's goal in in the the first match was 10 times worse than any mistake Logan has made this season.
The Morecambe goalkeeper pushing out MacDonald's shot back into play for Maynard to knock into the net was also a much worse mistake than any of Logan's.
Martin, Conrad Logan has cost us A LOT of points over the past two seasons with his antics, so I hope that referencing two mistakes from opposing keepers in games we’ve recently played against them is not a legitimate attempt at vouching for Logan’s ability.
WVStag, I'm referencing this season's 3 games in direct response to EdwinstoweStag's comment, as he appears not to have been watching with that comment.
But if you want to go back to last season, Logan finished it in tremendous form. He started it in poor form and was rightly dropped.
Amber Andy wrote:Picking out one individual for our current form is complete nonsense. Despite Matin's attempt to put some perspective it rumbles on. Eight pages now, for goodness sake give the guy a break. I repeat out problems are not just Logan.
WVStag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Picking out one individual for our current form is complete nonsense. Despite Matin's attempt to put some perspective it rumbles on. Eight pages now, for goodness sake give the guy a break. I repeat out problems are not just Logan.
Picking out one individual is not complete nonsense.
A GK is not a position that you can get by with someone ‘making do’ like you can in other areas of the pitch. If GK’s make errors, they often result in goals. Logan has made a lot of them and as simple logic would have it, we need a better goalkeeper.
I would also argue that Martin hasn’t offered any ‘perspective’. It doesn’t change a thing about what’s already been said.
Martin Shaw wrote:WVStag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Picking out one individual for our current form is complete nonsense. Despite Matin's attempt to put some perspective it rumbles on. Eight pages now, for goodness sake give the guy a break. I repeat out problems are not just Logan.
Picking out one individual is not complete nonsense.
A GK is not a position that you can get by with someone ‘making do’ like you can in other areas of the pitch. If GK’s make errors, they often result in goals. Logan has made a lot of them and as simple logic would have it, we need a better goalkeeper.
I would also argue that Martin hasn’t offered any ‘perspective’. It doesn’t change a thing about what’s already been said.
Perspective is trying to see a bigger picture rather than just one thing.
I spent 60 seconds looking at your last 20 or so posts WVStag. Three quarters of them are moaning about Logan. Some are moaning about Dempster. I didn't see any mention of defensive mistakes made by Sweeney, Pearce, Preston. I could have missed it as it was a quick scan, but it wasn't prominent. I didn't see any mention of mistakes made by others, like opposition goalkeepers. So when Amber Andy talks about "perspective", that's the sort of thing I would guess he is thinking about.
WVStag wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:WVStag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Picking out one individual for our current form is complete nonsense. Despite Matin's attempt to put some perspective it rumbles on. Eight pages now, for goodness sake give the guy a break. I repeat out problems are not just Logan.
Picking out one individual is not complete nonsense.
A GK is not a position that you can get by with someone ‘making do’ like you can in other areas of the pitch. If GK’s make errors, they often result in goals. Logan has made a lot of them and as simple logic would have it, we need a better goalkeeper.
I would also argue that Martin hasn’t offered any ‘perspective’. It doesn’t change a thing about what’s already been said.
Perspective is trying to see a bigger picture rather than just one thing.
I spent 60 seconds looking at your last 20 or so posts WVStag. Three quarters of them are moaning about Logan. Some are moaning about Dempster. I didn't see any mention of defensive mistakes made by Sweeney, Pearce, Preston. I could have missed it as it was a quick scan, but it wasn't prominent. I didn't see any mention of mistakes made by others, like opposition goalkeepers. So when Amber Andy talks about "perspective", that's the sort of thing I would guess he is thinking about.
So if we both agree on what perspective means, why is it a problem to reference the fact he’s made countless errors he’s made over a few seasons? Would that not mean I am actually offering more a perspective since I’m taking into account previous seasons performances?
Conker wrote:You can compare other league GK all you want, we all know we have a much better one that happens to be injured.
Martin Shaw wrote:WVStag wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:WVStag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Picking out one individual for our current form is complete nonsense. Despite Matin's attempt to put some perspective it rumbles on. Eight pages now, for goodness sake give the guy a break. I repeat out problems are not just Logan.
Picking out one individual is not complete nonsense.
A GK is not a position that you can get by with someone ‘making do’ like you can in other areas of the pitch. If GK’s make errors, they often result in goals. Logan has made a lot of them and as simple logic would have it, we need a better goalkeeper.
I would also argue that Martin hasn’t offered any ‘perspective’. It doesn’t change a thing about what’s already been said.
Perspective is trying to see a bigger picture rather than just one thing.
I spent 60 seconds looking at your last 20 or so posts WVStag. Three quarters of them are moaning about Logan. Some are moaning about Dempster. I didn't see any mention of defensive mistakes made by Sweeney, Pearce, Preston. I could have missed it as it was a quick scan, but it wasn't prominent. I didn't see any mention of mistakes made by others, like opposition goalkeepers. So when Amber Andy talks about "perspective", that's the sort of thing I would guess he is thinking about.
So if we both agree on what perspective means, why is it a problem to reference the fact he’s made countless errors he’s made over a few seasons? Would that not mean I am actually offering more a perspective since I’m taking into account previous seasons performances?
It isn't a problem to reference that, and I also mentioned his form last season. You're still just talking about one player.
WVStag wrote:Martin Shaw wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:I’m really not qualified to judge whether Conrad is of suitable quality for our league, but there is increasing evidence that there is a low level of confidence from his defence that he has enough command of his box.
By comparison, most of our opponents’ custodians seem more capable.
Plainly not so at all.
The Newport goalkeeper's howler in letting Rose's goal in in the the first match was 10 times worse than any mistake Logan has made this season.
The Morecambe goalkeeper pushing out MacDonald's shot back into play for Maynard to knock into the net was also a much worse mistake than any of Logan's.
Martin, Conrad Logan has cost us A LOT of points over the past two seasons with his antics, so I hope that referencing two mistakes from opposing keepers in games we’ve recently played against them is not a legitimate attempt at vouching for Logan’s ability.
bigalstag wrote:If I was Stone , and I could not get a game on Saturday, I would wonder what the hell I've done, signing for the club
pemill wrote:bigalstag wrote:If I was Stone , and I could not get a game on Saturday, I would wonder what the hell I've done, signing for the club
One for the future, I can't imagine he come expecting to get straight into the team. In any case it would be unfair to drop him into a team where the defence is shipping goals.
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