Moronic Fans

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

One of the smoke bombs/flares hit a young lad and burnt his trainers and jogging bottoms. His mum is fuming.

It didn't hit him. It was kicked towards him on the floor

Does that really make any difference? If it hadn’t been thrown the lad wouldn’t have had what was no doubt a frightening experience for him.

The only person responsible is the fan that threw it.

[Captain Cunno]

Or the dog that let him in with it...

[zod]

One of the smoke bombs/flares hit a young lad and burnt his trainers and jogging bottoms. His mum is fuming.

It didn't hit him. It was kicked towards him on the floor

Does that really make any difference? If it hadn’t been thrown the lad wouldn’t have had what was no doubt a frightening experience for him.

The only person responsible is the fan that threw it.

They just need some of the pyro dogs at every ground. Look how they've stopped pyros at the mill.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

Or the dog that let him in with it...

That’s it, kick a dog when it’s down

No excuses for this.

[arsene wengers coat]

I wasn't there so can't comment on any perceived misbehaviour but this thread reminded me of this article. Quite interesting https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... at-matches

[stag324]

I wasn't there so can't comment on any perceived misbehaviour but this thread reminded me of this article. Quite interesting https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... at-matches

This is a very good article and covers many of the issues very well.

Just reading this thread back, highlights the issue we have at Stags.

One person's view of a great atmosphere and a good day out is different to the next person's view point.

I've been following Stags for nearly 40 years, home and away and feel much safer now as a 50 something, than I did years ago.

[bellwhiff]

Pretty poor behaviour and it should be stamped on but if anyone thinks it’s worse than the 70s and 80s either has limited memory or wasn’t there.

[Dan]

Even our own coppers are losing patience with some of our 'fans'.

[Marky Mark]

For me it wasn't anything other than just really overly weird - it was almost trying to cause trouble kind of behaviour. For the whole second half there were loads of fans congregated on the walkway behind the net across the width of the 18 yard box, and the ones that were below where I was sat/stood (teenage sort of age) spent the whole half trying to wind the stewards up, every time I glanced down from the game there was someone videoing a steward or shouting at them or trying to goad them - they cannot have seen any of the game - a few times a senior steward was called over and they just got goaded too. Then there were the two guys - they looked older than me and I'm 50 - who spent a good 5-10 minutes pointing at each other, pushing each other and everyone around them and trying everything to not have a brawl whilst also not wanting to back down from a brawl - we were laughing at them just because they were so ridiculous, it was pure comedy - but also if you were near them I can see why it might have been a bit alarming. Alcohol induced or not, their brains wont have been used for much in their lives other than reminding them not to chew bricks. Then walking out after the game, right at the exit a whole bunch of lads came rolling past me fighting - there cant have been any away fans as the road was blocked and they were coming out the same way that I was, a good 10-12 police were on them straight away as it was right in front of them and I saw one get shoved up against a police van. Just bizarre behaviour.

[Rob]

For me it wasn't anything other than just really overly weird - it was almost trying to cause trouble kind of behaviour. For the whole second half there were loads of fans congregated on the walkway behind the net across the width of the 18 yard box, and the ones that were below where I was sat/stood (teenage sort of age) spent the whole half trying to wind the stewards up, every time I glanced down from the game there was someone videoing a steward or shouting at them or trying to goad them - they cannot have seen any of the game - a few times a senior steward was called over and they just got goaded too. Then there were the two guys - they looked older than me and I'm 50 - who spent a good 5-10 minutes pointing at each other, pushing each other and everyone around them and trying everything to not have a brawl whilst also not wanting to back down from a brawl - we were laughing at them just because they were so ridiculous, it was pure comedy - but also if you were near them I can see why it might have been a bit alarming. Alcohol induced or not, their brains wont have been used for much in their lives other than reminding them not to chew bricks. Then walking out after the game, right at the exit a whole bunch of lads came rolling past me fighting - there cant have been any away fans as the road was blocked and they were coming out the same way that I was, a good 10-12 police were on them straight away as it was right in front of them and I saw one get shoved up against a police van. Just bizarre behaviour.

Obviously as I was sat 10 yards from you I saw the same thing (though we don't always see the same game ). I think the one who first started the steward goading was the bloke in red, as the OP says, probably close to 30 years old. Then others joined in for literally no reason - the stewards were doing nothing, as you said, it was bizarre but nonetheless disgraceful behaviour that should not be condoned by any Stags fan. We must have got out just before you Mark because we didn't see the fighting but could tell it was about to kick off so made a hasty retreat to where we parked our car. It's shameful and unacceptable and we as a club would be far better off if this minority of trouble causers stayed at home. In fact, they spoil it for the other lads who do want to sing and enjoy the game, who then get tarred with the same brush or worse get peer pressured into joining in.

[PostmanPat]

No alcohol, no drugs, no pyros, no swearing…

What’s next no loud chanting?

[georgefostersbeard]

Your ability to read stuff that isn't there in this thread is remarkable

[Conker]

Even our own coppers are losing patience with some of our 'fans'.

Whatever has happened beforehand it’s Really poor from the copper, makes him look like a thug with a uniform on.

[bobbystagsfan]

It's a Mansfield copper n all.

[Dan]

Even our own coppers are losing patience with some of our 'fans'.

Whatever has happened beforehand it’s Really poor from the copper, makes him look like a thug with a uniform on.

A lot of them are sadly but this one is one of the best we’ve got. Something must’ve kicked off for him to do that.

[Dave Wayne]

Pretty poor behaviour and it should be stamped on but if anyone thinks it’s worse than the 70s and 80s either has limited memory or wasn’t there.

Nobody is suggesting it is worse than the 70s and 80s. The issue is that clubs are working hard to make football grounds a family friendly day out and a small minority of fans seem hellbent on destroying that.
Maybe it is an undercurrent in society at the moment, but I won't get into that or we will be moved to the politics forum, but for me the football 'experience' has gone backwards in recent years.
20 years ago I was taking my 8 year old son to away games, I'm not sure I would want to be doing that now.

[Rob]

You're right Dave, I think it's definitely worse than 20 years ago, but not as bad as the 70s and 80s due mainly to increased security in and around grounds.

[HitchcocksShins]

Many seem to either forget or not realize altogether that alot of our large following away days have a number of fans/ members of firms of other clubs there that have ties to a few of our own fans. They're not Stags fans and are primarily there for the sesh and to cause problems. It's no coincidence we're seeing a rise of them now that banning orders from the MK Dons match are being rolled back.

What a load of bull yesterdays tickets barely made general sale

Sorry, I forgot you're an expert on every facet of the terrace going on's.

[Sneag]

Pretty poor behaviour and it should be stamped on but if anyone thinks it’s worse than the 70s and 80s either has limited memory or wasn’t there.

Nobody is suggesting it is worse than the 70s and 80s. The issue is that clubs are working hard to make football grounds a family friendly day out and a small minority of fans seem hellbent on destroying that.
Maybe it is an undercurrent in society at the moment, but I won't get into that or we will be moved to the politics forum, but for me the football 'experience' has gone backwards in recent years.
20 years ago I was taking my 8 year old son to away games, I'm not sure I would want to be doing that now.

We have become a very selfish society plagued by petty & not so petty antisocial behaviour.

The pyros are a classic example of how it manifests at football. The raspberries who let these things off do not give a toss how they negatively affect other people, they don't even care what impact it has on the players, who must love gulping a lungfull of smoke.

The worst thing of all is, it looks so naff.

[Costastag]

Many seem to either forget or not realize altogether that alot of our large following away days have a number of fans/ members of firms of other clubs there that have ties to a few of our own fans. They're not Stags fans and are primarily there for the sesh and to cause problems. It's no coincidence we're seeing a rise of them now that banning orders from the MK Dons match are being rolled back.

What a load of bull yesterdays tickets barely made general sale

Sorry, I forgot you're an expert on every facet of the terrace going on's.

No its the simplest observation in the world stockport tickets sold out before the so called firms muscled in on the action you really need to grow up

[yorkstag]

Pretty poor behaviour and it should be stamped on but if anyone thinks it’s worse than the 70s and 80s either has limited memory or wasn’t there.

Absolutely … and while the behaviour of some of our fans wasn’t great the attitude and behaviour of Stockport fans outside wasn’t great either -see their forum .
They have a reputation and were visible before and after.

[HitchcocksShins]

Many seem to either forget or not realize altogether that alot of our large following away days have a number of fans/ members of firms of other clubs there that have ties to a few of our own fans. They're not Stags fans and are primarily there for the sesh and to cause problems. It's no coincidence we're seeing a rise of them now that banning orders from the MK Dons match are being rolled back.

What a load of bull yesterdays tickets barely made general sale

Sorry, I forgot you're an expert on every facet of the terrace going on's.

No its the simplest observation in the world stockport tickets sold out before the so called firms muscled in on the action you really need to grow up

Sorry again for my view. Clearly people without a season ticket could never have got a ticket on the back of someone that has one but couldn't, or had no intention of attending. That could never happen.

#growup

[Retro rob]

No alcohol, no drugs, no pyros, no swearing…

What’s next no loud chanting?

Should be zero tolerance on drugs anywhere, Wembley way stank of it, why has football authorities allowed this to escalate?

[yorkstag]

Many seem to either forget or not realize altogether that alot of our large following away days have a number of fans/ members of firms of other clubs there that have ties to a few of our own fans. They're not Stags fans and are primarily there for the sesh and to cause problems. It's no coincidence we're seeing a rise of them now that banning orders from the MK Dons match are being rolled back.

What a load of bull yesterdays tickets barely made general sale

Sorry, I forgot you're an expert on every facet of the terrace going on's.

No its the simplest observation in the world stockport tickets sold out before the so called firms muscled in on the action you really need to grow up

Sorry again for my view. Clearly people without a season ticket could never have got a ticket on the back of someone that has one but couldn't, or had no intention of attending. That could never happen.

#growup

Clearly they can but you insinuate it’s routine which quite clearly it’s not.

[bobbystagsfan]

No alcohol, no drugs, no pyros, no swearing…

What’s next no loud chanting?

Should be zero tolerance on drugs anywhere, Wembley way stank of it, why has football authorities allowed this to escalate?

Boring