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John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby part time pete » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:28 pm

The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Martin Shaw » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:41 pm

He's only 5 years older than me. I don't think his age can be a mitigating factor when he's only 63.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Sneag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:09 am

Martin Shaw wrote:He's only 5 years older than me. I don't think his age can be a mitigating factor when he's only 63.


3 years older than me. If I spoke to people like that at work I'd expect to get sacked.

The 'it's only bants' defence is pathetic.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:13 am

part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby five to three » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:17 am

Clear to me he is a racist. I cannot accept the mitigation. He is a racist. Hopefully he might now want to do something about it. That will be the test of who he could be.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby ParisStag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:35 am

part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123


The only one who has a 'different view' so far is you Pete. Everyone else on here sees him for what he is - a racist, who got what he deserved.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby bobbystagsfan » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:40 am

Disgusting behaviour.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby gazza1988 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:48 am

In publishing the written reasons for his ban, the FA disciplinary commission "accepted that Mr Yems is not a conscious racist".

Was he unconscious when he said it?

That bit is worrying from the FA. That statement is nearly as bad as what Yems said.

It's horrific what Yems has said and done.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Marky Mark » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:57 am

arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby BigGuy » Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:32 am

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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby gazza1988 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:42 am

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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby ParisStag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:32 am

Marky Mark wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.


Sorry Mark, but this whole "stuck in the past" thing is a massive cop out. Even in the 70s the noisy minority who thought it was ok to say stuff like this were still racists. It was racist and vile then and it still is now. Anyone saying he's a man of a certain age and a relic of a time when it was the norm, is essentially saying that it was acceptable to be racist back then and acceptable if you grew up then. It's a pathetic excuse. I know many men of that age who are not racist now, but also weren't in the 70s.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby part time pete » Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:09 pm

Marky Mark wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.


Yes Mark, I am not defending Yems. I am sad that this still goes on and not enough education is being done about the situation.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby HitchcocksShins » Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:14 pm

I'm really glad that he'll now be cured of his racism, instead of still thinking the same thoughts, holding the same bias' both conscious and unconscious, but just not saying them out loud. Old dogs don't learn new tricks.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Marky Mark » Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:31 pm

ParisStag wrote:
Marky Mark wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.


Sorry Mark, but this whole "stuck in the past" thing is a massive cop out. Even in the 70s the noisy minority who thought it was ok to say stuff like this were still racists. It was racist and vile then and it still is now. Anyone saying he's a man of a certain age and a relic of a time when it was the norm, is essentially saying that it was acceptable to be racist back then and acceptable if you grew up then. It's a pathetic excuse. I know many men of that age who are not racist now, but also weren't in the 70s.


Fully agree with you Paris. There's no defence for it, I was trying to dissect the FA response more than anything, which feels like it was circling the real reason.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:29 pm

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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby ParisStag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:37 pm

Marky Mark wrote:
ParisStag wrote:
Marky Mark wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.


Sorry Mark, but this whole "stuck in the past" thing is a massive cop out. Even in the 70s the noisy minority who thought it was ok to say stuff like this were still racists. It was racist and vile then and it still is now. Anyone saying he's a man of a certain age and a relic of a time when it was the norm, is essentially saying that it was acceptable to be racist back then and acceptable if you grew up then. It's a pathetic excuse. I know many men of that age who are not racist now, but also weren't in the 70s.


Fully agree with you Paris. There's no defence for it, I was trying to dissect the FA response more than anything, which feels like it was circling the real reason.


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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby bellwhiff » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:42 pm

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Interesting takeaway from this thread.

He deserves sacking and then some. Gopping racist. As stated, if he’d come out with that sort of crap in “normal” jobs then he’d have been rightly frogmarched out of the building.

We thankfully live in a different country. I hold no truck with the professional race baiters out there who make a living out of fomenting division over stuff that’s not racist. This IS racist and it’s disgusting
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Postby yorkshire stag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:01 pm

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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:39 pm

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interesting that they have deleted their earlier tweet, which I quoted and so now shows up as missing
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby ParisStag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:52 pm

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interesting that they have deleted their earlier tweet, which I quoted and so now shows up as missing


Must have had some backlash! :roll:
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Scothie the Stag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:50 pm

"Kick Racism out of Football"... Or as far as the FA are concerned, just suspend it for a bit.

Like others, I'm not convinced Yems will learn from this. Vile racist.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby Elkesley Stag » Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:35 pm

ParisStag wrote:
Marky Mark wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
part time pete wrote:The FA report has been published regarding his 18 month ban from football.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64308974

I would imagine folk will have different views on the rights and wrongs of the case.

I just find it sad that an elderly manager can’t keep up with the times and not knowing his words and actions now have consequences.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jan/06/ ... ded-060123



Are you on a wind up? "Ex-Crawley Town manager John Yems used "offensive, racist and Islamophobic" language and joked that a Muslim player was a terrorist, according to a Football Association report."

Mr Yems simply paid no regard to the distress which his misplaced jocularity was causing."

The evidence the tribunal heard included:

How Yems used a racial slur to describe some of the club's black players and deliberately mis-pronounced a name to make it sound like an racially offensive term.
Yems used a racial stereotype to two black players who were playing darts. He then repeated a racial slur and "made gestures as if using a blowpipe".

How one player feigned illness in order to avoid Yems' 'banter' about eating curry.

A Muslim player became the subject of jokes about "being a terrorist". He was asked if he slept with a gun and if he carried a bomb in his bag.

Yems used a racial stereotype to a black player of African origin by asking if he liked jerk chicken - a dish associated with the Caribbean.

Another player returning from international duty was told he should not train with the squad. Yems commented on his colour "then put his hand over his mouth saying he should not say that".



Yeah Pete, poor John Yems, how sad that he's now just of an age where he doesn't know what's PC... When was any of that ever acceptable?


I don't think Pete is defending him, more pity that his views still exist in a world where so much has changed, yet he hasn't changed with it.

The fundamental breakdown of racism is unconscious and conscious - you can be racist without realising you are, or you can just be an out an out racist. For some people they dont realise that 'culture banter' is racist - and I think that's what the report is saying about Yems - his racism was unconscious racism masked as banter.


Sorry Mark, but this whole "stuck in the past" thing is a massive cop out. Even in the 70s the noisy minority who thought it was ok to say stuff like this were still racists. It was racist and vile then and it still is now. Anyone saying he's a man of a certain age and a relic of a time when it was the norm, is essentially saying that it was acceptable to be racist back then and acceptable if you grew up then. It's a pathetic excuse. I know many men of that age who are not racist now, but also weren't in the 70s.


It wasn’t a noisy minority in the 70s .It was perfectly acceptable to watch the Black and White minstrels ,love thy neighbour, it ain’t half hot mum , mind your language and laugh at Jim Davisons Chalky character .All were watched and enjoyed by millions who saw no offence in them at the time . Anyone with the slightest intelligence realises that they are now totally unacceptable and I would imagine that most people would now admit they were in extremely poor taste . Various campaigns by organisations such as the race relations board have done a lot of good in changing peoples views and thankfully the John Yems of this world now look embarrassingly ignorant and Uneducated.Yems may be stuck in the past but he certainly wasn’t in a minority in the 70,s . Praise the change in societies attitude by all means but don’t try to paint over the fact that Britain was extremely racist in the past , we may not have realised at the time but truth is we were.
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Re: John Yems, ex Crawley manager

Postby bellwhiff » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:31 am

Scothie the Stag wrote:"Kick Racism out of Football"... Or as far as the FA are concerned, just suspend it for a bit.

Like others, I'm not convinced Yems will learn from this. Vile racist.

I don’t think you understand the statement.
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