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Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby AshoverStag » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:59 am

Nice long…………journey home. Great win vs Gillingham

Clarke……….. remember the purple patch last season…….maybe de ja vue. He’s making a great difference in stability in midfield

Maris, Clarke , Hartigan but ………… would you bring in Boateng when fit for Hartigan

Option 1 - Hartigan seems slow. Battling in midfield done by Maris/Clarke but can open up defences

Option 2 - Boateng - Faster, can also create, and scores…….remember Shef Utd wonder goal pre season

Or do you not upset the apple cart ?

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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby bobbystagsfan » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:04 am

Got to stick with Hartigan, Clarke and Maris atm I think. They look great together
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Ralphy » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:12 am

Squad game nowadays, all will get decent game time over the season. What if Maris has a drop in form then it will be Boateng for Maris!!
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby oldweststander » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:17 am

Boatang, as good as he seems, needs to get 100% fit, and wait his chance.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby bear 73 » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:55 am

Hartigan is a defensive midfield player and Boeteng more a attacking midfield player.
With 5 substitutions the squad can change formations or used to give players game time and keep fitness levels to a maximum without weakening the team.
At the moment we have Boateng, Oates, Swan missing, all very capable to do a job.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby cassellswasmagic » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:11 pm

Must be great to have these selection headaches in midfield. He certainly hasn’t anywhere else.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Ralphy » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:20 pm

cassellswasmagic wrote:Must be great to have these selection headaches in midfield. He certainly hasn’t anywhere else.



That didn’t take long lol :D
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby AshoverStag » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:21 pm

oldweststander wrote:Boatang, as good as he seems, needs to get 100% fit, and wait his chance.


I tend to agree, but Hartigan appears great at key balls and he’s a free kick/specialist I heard before signing but defensively he only seems to support Maris/Clarke and not winning too many battles and I’ve been to every game home/away so far. He is slow 100%. Not as slow as Longstaff was but fully fit I’d try Maris sitting slightly behind Clarke and Boateng myself

But I also tend to agree with other posts. Will be a tough call to change a winning combination of the current 3

I just think at Carlisle game Boateng would have been perfect

Ha ha as you can tell he’s my fav. Him and Harbottle.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Marky Mark » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:45 pm

A similar question for me, but a bit further away. is what happens when Oates is fit again? We play differently with Oates out of the side, more hold up with Akins and midfielders 'running over the top' - as the Gillingham manager put it. Clough has never really seemed to be a fan of Lapslie and Oates in the side together after they played a lot together during our poor run last year. It's telling how some of the players that I thought were forgotten about - and who I suspected were interesting other teams - Clarke and Lapslie, are flourishing without Oates in the side.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby MTFCMusings » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:31 pm

All of them deserve to keep their place as it stands. Boateng will get his chance and then it will be down to him to take it. He would’ve been ideal for Tuesday night instead of Clarke when we need that extra creativity.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Billy the fish » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:41 pm

I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby MTFCMusings » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:01 pm

Billy the fish wrote:I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..


Not sure what games you watch. Highest pass completion rate of any player bar Wallace who has played 10% of the minutes. Bizarre take.

I would also hedge that his running stats are amongst the highest in the team.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Conker » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:21 pm

Maris is our best midfielder for me.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Captain Cunno » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:26 pm

Billy the fish wrote:I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..


Chortle...

That's gotta be the most absurd post youv'e ever posted and you've posted a few ... :lol:
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Spiritater » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:45 am

Captain Cunno wrote:
Billy the fish wrote:I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..


Chortle...

That's gotta be the most absurd post youv'e ever posted and you've posted a few ... :lol:

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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby yorkshire stag » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:56 am

Spiritater wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:
Billy the fish wrote:I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..


Chortle...

That's gotta be the most absurd post youv'e ever posted and you've posted a few ... :lol:

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Maris should the the first midfielders name on the team sheet
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:15 am

Billy the fish wrote:I’d drop Maris for any of the two don’t get this love in for him gives the ball away too often and doesn’t track back or hasn’t the pace too when losing his man ..



You wouldn't know football if one hit you in the face :lol:
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Johnny H » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:08 pm

We build our team around George Maris...beeen saying it ever since he joined us.
He is the best midfielder in this league and he makes us tick !!
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby broomo » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:27 pm

Johnny H wrote:We build our team around George Maris...beeen saying it ever since he joined us.
He is the best midfielder in this league and he makes us tick !!


Maris is undoubtedly very good but seems untouchable in some fans eyes. No one ever notices or mentions the times he's dispossessed or plays a poor ball.

Hartigan won more headers and tackles than him on Saturday, he's also got more of a killer pass in him. I don't buy that he's too slow or doesn't run enough.

Controversial I know but if all midfielders were fully fit I'd play Hartigan, Boateng, Clarke & Lapslie together.

Having said that, there's no need to change it at the moment and Boateng will need to be very good when he gets his minutes to displace any of them.

We're blessed to have such a strong midfield to choose from. Nigel has been saying for a while that any of them could start and we wouldn't be any weaker. He's spot on.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby MTFCMusings » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:40 pm

broomo wrote:
Johnny H wrote:We build our team around George Maris...beeen saying it ever since he joined us.
He is the best midfielder in this league and he makes us tick !!


Maris is undoubtedly very good but seems untouchable in some fans eyes. No one ever notices or mentions the times he's dispossessed or plays a poor ball.

Hartigan won more headers and tackles than him on Saturday, he's also got more of a killer pass in him. I don't buy that he's too slow or doesn't run enough.

Controversial I know but if all midfielders were fully fit I'd play Hartigan, Boateng, Clarke & Lapslie together.

Having said that, there's no need to change it at the moment and Boateng will need to be very good when he gets his minutes to displace any of them.

We're blessed to have such a strong midfield to choose from. Nigel has been saying for a while that any of them could start and we wouldn't be any weaker. He's spot on.


I think people mention it less because it happens less than with the other midfielders. He complete more passes than the other midfielders.

To compare to Hartigan as you have, he won the same amount or aerial duels and the same amount of tackles according to WhoScored. He didn’t get an assist (out of his control to some degree) but created as many chances. A higher pass completion rate.

They’re quite similar players in my eyes, Hartigan the better long range passer and takes more risks with his passes. There’s a place for both in the team.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby yorkshire stag » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:44 pm

i think we can all agree that midfield & keeper are the two areas we have got right.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Rob » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:44 pm

Our best midfield remains the same as it was pre-Clough - Clarke, Maris and Lapslie. Bringing Hartigan and Boateng in means Laps can play further up field, filling the gap left by the lack of strikers. It has also meant O'Toole, who has played almost his entire career in midfield, can help with the obvious shortage at CB. Maris is first name on the team sheet for me, he is our best footballer and will play higher up next season, hopefully with us.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby AshoverStag » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:51 pm

[quote="broomo"

“Hartigan won more headers and tackles than him on Saturday, he's also got more of a killer pass in him. I don't buy that he's too slow or doesn't run”



I agree quite a lot with some of your posts Broomo but that’s not what I have seen and I’ve been to every game and all pre season.

Maris is our main battler and Clarke (who wins in the air as well)

I saw Hartigan sham out on a few occasions in the air and on the ground in tackles.

Don’t get me wrong. A tidy signing but Maris much more the complete player in the role.

Not too slow lol…….come on behave :lol:

Boateng has been unlucky with injuries he looked top level div 1 standard pre season and missed Clarke role at Salford to support in the battling role.
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Johnny H » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:53 pm

O'Toole should not be mentioned as a midfielder now, far too slow and not good enough on the ball.
He did well at Northampton as we put 11 men behind the ball but was equally as poor at Wembley when we needed him to play.
Maris was excellent for Cambridge for years, he is a league 2 midfielder, of course he has games where he isnt so great but he can play whatever role is asked of him (holding, general midfield or attacking)
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Re: Hartigan vs A fit Boateng

Postby Vice President » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:47 pm

I don't think it is necessarily simply a case of Hartigan vs Boateng. Nigel will fit in players where ever.
Which ever player is under performing or needs a rest will open the door for Boeteng when he is fit & in form - even if it means moving other players around.

I would keep an in-form Marris & Clarke as central midfielders - and Lapslie is un-dropable at the moment ... So I can see why Hartigan would be the obvious one to make way when Boeteng returns. However, it will also depend on everyone else's form at the time. (Bearing in mind that Nigel is not adverse to even playing strikers as wing-backs).
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