cassellswasmagic wrote:Here’s hoping we don’t fall flat on our faces again. I still think in terms of fitness levels we are on catch up due to the late finish last season……however, Port Vale won didn’t they. Also anything’s better than that eyesore.
NEStag wrote:Sneag, you may be onto something there. When we went 2 down at Salford there felt like an air of inevitability of here we go again.
Wasn’t helped yesterday with a lot of people feeling as though the formation/team selection was all wrong from the outset.
arsene wengers coat wrote:I agree Sneag.
We've been getting promoted since 2016. We don't ever seem to complete the jigsaw regarding the team or squad. There's always a couple of points of failure that holds us back.
My expectations for the season are a little different to my hopes. I'd like to see us kick some flipping arse from game 1 to 46 but for whatever reason we don't.
stuartcoupe wrote:I know what you mean. This could be with the benefit of hindsight but during the good times under Billy Dearden there was a real confidence both in the way that the football was played and in the way that this translated itself into the crowd. That feeling has not been there since ......and that was a long time ago now.
YellaFella 75 wrote:Come on guys we've only played one game! I really enjoyed last season, going to games excited thinking we would win was a great feeling, the atmosphere was as good as I've ever known it and it can be the same this year give them a chance. Oh and BTW I don't remember Greg Fee being a wonderful defender, I know he was a fans favourite but that was because of his goals not his defending.
victor A block wrote:Think I read we are now the longest servers in league 2. Stand to be corrected of course.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Two polarised ways of looking at this. Either embarrassing and pathetic, or well we're lucky to have a football league club. But there is a middle ground.
I always get called negative by the same old crowd of happy clappers for wanting better and wanting more improvement. For me, I think their acceptance of mediocrity is negative and equally as damaging as those that stamp their feet when things don't go right. It allows complacency. On one hand we're thankful for the likes of Clough, but on the other we have to ask questions about our progression. It's normal scrutiny.
JR has done a lot for us undoubtedly: saving us from abyss, promoted out of non-league, new training facilities, crowds are up, but I also think that by some yardsticks we're exactly where we were 10 years ago and when Adam Murray had a playing budget of 2 packets of watsits and a conker.
In that time Bristol rovers have been been non-league and been promoted from L2 twice. FGR come up and got out this league before we have. Lincoln city, Luton, Cambridge, all were non league after us and now exceed us too.
Just seems there's always an excuse like 'its.a.strong league this year' simply don't wash when we're 6 seasons in to a promotion.
It's surely our turn soon. As fans, we totally deserve it.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Two polarised ways of looking at this. Either embarrassing and pathetic, or well we're lucky to have a football league club. But there is a middle ground.
I always get called negative by the same old crowd of happy clappers for wanting better and wanting more improvement. For me, I think their acceptance of mediocrity is negative and equally as damaging as those that stamp their feet when things don't go right. It allows complacency. On one hand we're thankful for the likes of Clough, but on the other we have to ask questions about our progression. It's normal scrutiny.
JR has done a lot for us undoubtedly: saving us from abyss, promoted out of non-league, new training facilities, crowds are up, but I also think that by some yardsticks we're exactly where we were 10 years ago and when Adam Murray had a playing budget of 2 packets of watsits and a conker.
In that time Bristol rovers have been been non-league and been promoted from L2 twice. FGR come up and got out this league before we have. Lincoln city, Luton, Cambridge, all were non league after us and now exceed us too.
Just seems there's always an excuse like 'its.a.strong league this year' simply don't wash when we're 6 seasons in to a promotion.
It's surely our turn soon. As fans, we totally deserve it.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Fair enough Rob. I'm not as bad as you might think but hyperbole and exaggeration sometimes get the better of me.
But back to point, it'd be interesting to do a poll and see where fans think we are in relation to our stature, infrastructure and potential: are we punching above our weight, are we about right, or could we do better and must try harder.
Personally, I believe we should be mid table league 1 side, on a par with a club like Oxford United getting around 65 points a season. Am I being naive. Is that just fantasy?
stag324 wrote:stuartcoupe wrote:I know what you mean. This could be with the benefit of hindsight but during the good times under Billy Dearden there was a real confidence both in the way that the football was played and in the way that this translated itself into the crowd. That feeling has not been there since ......and that was a long time ago now.
I disagree about the atmosphere.
Last season was superb for most home and away games.
When we went on our winning run last year we played a high press game which was so exciting to watch, however the changes in January stopped all that.
This season we have made some good additions but they are only good functional players not exciting ones, like for the last 10 years
We need to sign an exciting midfielder who will run at times, a striker who will rattle in 20+ goals and a defender who is in the mould of Greg Fee
We won’t because we are Mansfield
arsene wengers coat wrote:Fair enough Rob. I'm not as bad as you might think but hyperbole and exaggeration sometimes get the better of me.
But back to point, it'd be interesting to do a poll and see where fans think we are in relation to our stature, infrastructure and potential: are we punching above our weight, are we about right, or could we do better and must try harder.
Personally, I believe we should be mid table league 1 side, on a par with a club like Oxford United getting around 65 points a season. Am I being naive. Is that just fantasy?
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I would say based on crowds and history we are a top half League 2 side but smaller clubs like Burton, Crawley, Fleetwood (wealthy owner), Accrington, Cheltenham, Morecambe, Forest Green Rovers etc have made it to League 1. I'd be happy to get promoted to League 1 and stay up for ten seasons or even five seasons like Ian Greaves/George Foster managed from 1986-1991.
Division 3 North and South were merged after the 1958 season. Since then Mansfield Town have played in:
The Championship - 1 Season
League 1 - 22 Seasons
League 2 - 37 Seasons
National League - 5 Seasons
The older fans were spoilt from 1963-1964 to 1979-1980 when we had one season in The Championship (Division 2), 15 seasons in League 1 (Division 3) and only 3 seasons in League 2 (Division 4) and one of those seasons was arguably our best season of all time.
From 1980-1981:
League 1 - 7 Seasons
League 2 - 31 Seasons
National League - 5 Seasons
From 2003-2004:
League 1 - 0 Seasons
League 2 - 15 Seasons
National League - 5 Seasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... C._seasons
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