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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:04 pm

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Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

I agree with the gk but Forrester could have played a part but nowhere near 90. Which youngster would you have liked to be on the bench?


And surely it is far more important to get a loanee who could be a key first team player involved with the squad rather than someone who is not likely to feature at all this season. Clough said on Radio Nottingham that 45 minutes was too much, he did not say he would not have played him for the last 10-15 minutes if the game situation had allowed. It's just criticism for criticism sake, it had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the game.

No, it isn’t. It just made no sense if he had no intention of playing him, he could have done all the pre match routine etc. It just didn’t make any sense. Try not to get too excited. I agree that it had no bearing on the game
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Amber Andy » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:34 pm

Conker wrote:Taking injuries in to account, we are still pretty terrible, very little quality in the final third and the diamond is completely sussed out and limits Ollie Clarke terribly.

Carl piergianni, who we wanted on deadline day and isn’t very good had a very easy day especially in the air - somebody needs to remind our team and management that Hawkins is in defence so smashing it upfront is a waste of time.
If Piergianni isn't very good why didn't Keith Curle take the opportunity to offload him onto us ?
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby broomo » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:22 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
Rob wrote:
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Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

I agree with the gk but Forrester could have played a part but nowhere near 90. Which youngster would you have liked to be on the bench?


And surely it is far more important to get a loanee who could be a key first team player involved with the squad rather than someone who is not likely to feature at all this season. Clough said on Radio Nottingham that 45 minutes was too much, he did not say he would not have played him for the last 10-15 minutes if the game situation had allowed. It's just criticism for criticism sake, it had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the game.

No, it isn’t. It just made no sense if he had no intention of playing him, he could have done all the pre match routine etc. It just didn’t make any sense. Try not to get too excited. I agree that it had no bearing on the game


How do you know he had no intention of playing him?

If we were either 3 up or 3 down I can guarantee he would have got 10 minutes.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:23 pm

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Tippy Tappy Football wrote:I wonder if Nigel Clough will learn a few lessons and go with a larger squad in January/next season (if still here).


How big would you like the squad to be Darren?If we hadn’t got lots of injuries and suspensions we would be fine.


We were clearly two centre halfs short Paul at the start of the season. You cannot go into a season going for a promotion push relying on Farrend Rawson, a utility player who has been relegated to the National League twice (Elliott Hewitt) and a 36 year old player who has played most of his career at right back (James Perch) especially after you have released Ryan Sweeney and allowed Rollin Menayese to go out on loan to Walsall without bringing in a replacement. This resulted in us scrambling around on transfer deadline day signing two very inexperienced injured centre halfs at the last minute. They were almost panic signings. The defensive recruitment has been very poor by Nigel Clough and his brother and lessons need to be learnt otherwise it will cost him his job and I say this as a Nigel Clough fan.

The failure to recruit two more quality centre halfs in August has also resulted in us having to play our two best attacking players this season at centre half and one of them is our top scorer.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:17 pm

broomo wrote:
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Rob wrote:
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Jamie wrote:I'm with Belly. A sub GK is a calculated risk to cover a very specialist position, but a player who you know under no circumstance will come on is just pointless and a wasted seat. Get a kid there for experience.

I agree with the gk but Forrester could have played a part but nowhere near 90. Which youngster would you have liked to be on the bench?


And surely it is far more important to get a loanee who could be a key first team player involved with the squad rather than someone who is not likely to feature at all this season. Clough said on Radio Nottingham that 45 minutes was too much, he did not say he would not have played him for the last 10-15 minutes if the game situation had allowed. It's just criticism for criticism sake, it had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the game.

No, it isn’t. It just made no sense if he had no intention of playing him, he could have done all the pre match routine etc. It just didn’t make any sense. Try not to get too excited. I agree that it had no bearing on the game


How do you know he had no intention of playing him?

If we were either 3 up or 3 down I can guarantee he would have got 10 minutes.


Because we had an injured centre half.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Rob » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:34 pm

Clough said post match on Radio Forest that he could have played a short period but he didn't want to play him 45 mins. You haven't addressed the advantage of getting him in and around the 1st team on match day ahead of some trainee unlikely to play for us this season?
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby smulls » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:01 am

Oh come on Belly! Forrester is not bloody injured now!
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:59 am

smulls wrote:Oh come on Belly! Forrester is not bloody injured now!

I know. But he’s not match fit and not ready to play. So he wasted a place on the bench
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:00 am

Rob wrote:Clough said post match on Radio Forest that he could have played a short period but he didn't want to play him 45 mins. You haven't addressed the advantage of getting him in and around the 1st team on match day ahead of some trainee unlikely to play for us this season?

I think I did. He could have completely joined in with the warm up, pre match meal etc etc without actually sitting on the bench.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:14 am

bellwhiff wrote:
smulls wrote:Oh come on Belly! Forrester is not bloody injured now!

I know. But he’s not match fit and not ready to play. So he wasted a place on the bench




So who's this superstar that's going to replace Forrester on the bench?
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Postby gazza1988 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:47 am

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smulls wrote:Oh come on Belly! Forrester is not bloody injured now!

I know. But he’s not match fit and not ready to play. So he wasted a place on the bench


You do realise that a lack of match fitness is a lack of game time recently, right?

It's a catch 22 if players aren't allowed on the bench because they aren't match fit, but to get match fit they need minutes. We could start him but we'd need to sub him after 20 minutes or so.

Basically it was deemed he wouldn't last the 45 minutes he'd need to play to replace Hawkins, so would have needed to be subbed off again later on.

Look Macca and Hewitt did a good enough job where he wasn't specifically needed this game so we didn't take the risk to play him. Against better opposition maybe he would be but now we've got a week's training to try and "gel" him into the side to feature Saturday.

Usually I'd be there with you because of playing players out of position but in this instance I actually agree with Clough that bringing Forrester on would have been a big risk that wasn't really necessary.

You could argue we could have brought Forrester on and moved Macca to the left wing and went at them for the winner. A good shout. However had we used the last sub to bring Forrester on and the estimate was wrong (game time wise, this is from a medical professional) and he got inured again. We would have been down to 10 men then and could easily have lost.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Jimstag » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:00 am

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oldweststander wrote:Why wasn't Ward on when Maris left the pitch?

Is Nigel watching the same game as us?

Yes it was close but Oates offered a better chance of a goal, dammed if you do dammed if you dont [ in theory of coarse ]


You haven't seen much of Oates then? :roll:


I would liken Oates to Ollie Palmer, there’s something there it’s just whether we can unlock it? You look what Palmer did after being with us and I see that in Oates. Much improved if Reid last year who he replaced. Hopefully Oates is less of a raspberry than Palmer.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bear 73 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:12 am

Our Manager decides who and why players are on the bench, with a view only 3 can play if he used all his sub options.
Being on or around the bench since about 6 years of age, and after 20 years in football management.
Forrester was there for a reason, and Gale was to, being critical of who is on the bench even when we are down to bare bones.
Can this determine our true level of what we call support.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:45 pm

bear 73 wrote:Our Manager decides who and why players are on the bench, with a view only 3 can play if he used all his sub options.
Being on or around the bench since about 6 years of age, and after 20 years in football management.
Forrester was there for a reason, and Gale was to, being critical of who is on the bench even when we are down to bare bones.
Can this determine our true level of what we call support.

Oh do stop boring people eh. It’s not a question of support. You just carry on defending the manager even when a legitimate point is made. The manager does indeed make the calls. Are you saying that can’t be queried ? Are you that blinkered ?
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Dan » Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:50 am

eggy wrote:Looked to me like Hawkins was holding his back towards the end of the first half, again


Got back ache from carrying this team.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:14 am

I watched the game back on iFollow last night and I thought Oli Hawkins was our best player in the 1st half. His only mistake was getting beat in the air by Piergianni from the corner when McGahey volleyed against the bar.

Mansfield made a very good start to the game and dominated the first 26 minutes (excluding the 14 minute delay for Maris' injury). There was some good passing in midfield. Ollie Clarke and George Lapslie had good 1st halfs. Ollie Clarke (17) nearly had as many accurate passes as Harry Charsley (21) and George Lapslie (25) and he was subbed on 61 minutes. Most of those passes were in the 1st half. George Lapslie also played well and made some good interceptions in defence and attack. He was also a bit unlucky not to get the penalty. The Oldham commentators were holding their breath and said that Couto was a lucky boy as they had seen them given. Nigel Clough should have gone like for like when Maris was injured and bought Keaton Ward on earlier who played very well and made 16 accurate passes in his 30 minutes on the pitch.

Oldham dominated the game from around 26 to 61 minutes and tried to make the most of 18 year old Portuguese academy player, Benny Couto's long throws. He was apparently playing against the Stags youth team 6 weeks ago and Keith Curle brought him into the first team squad due to his long throw. He also played a great through ball to Zak Dearnley. He launched 10 long throws into the area and a lot of them were allowed to bounce in our area. Fair play to Keith Curle for moving away from his usual more direct style of football but he still likes to throw the defenders up front for long throws, free kicks and corners.

The Stags were the better side for the last 30 minutes and created the better chances and should have won the game with better finishing by Harry Charsley. He was set up lovely by a good interception by Ryan Burke and run and pass by Rhys Oates. He perhaps should have tried to pass or prod the ball into the corner of the net rather than going for power.

Elliott Hewitt had his best game for the Stags. 6 aerial duels won and 31 accurate passes. He played two lovely long diagonal passes to Bowery and two good deep long balls down the line in the 2nd half. Oates won a corner from one of them. Stephen McLaughlin also played well in two different positions. For once he did not have the most touches of the ball on the pitch. He had 68 touches but James Clarke had 85. Clarke got bamboozled by Bahamboula a couple of times but overall he had a solid game and came on strong in the last 30 minutes. Ryan Burke looks more confident going forward than defending but did not let the side down. Bishop made three saves.

The forwards were all disappointing. Danny Johnson and Rhys Oates lost possession too much and scuffed or shanked their shots. There was some enthusiastic running at times by Oates and Johnson won a few free kicks. Jordan Bowery had one good bit of play in the 1st half which resulted in a Danny Johnson shot being saved. Overall though he was disappointing and made little impact on game. I don't think he had an attempt on goal.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby chip63 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:59 am

I noticed Bowery and a few others looked down hearted as they walked back on from half time, not sure if it was from a rollicking or Hawkins being injured on top of Marris and the rest of our bad luck.
Didn't realise it was 10 long throws but I don't think we won one of them, think Bishop punched one away but might of been a corner, not sure if any throw went further than the front post as I've only watched it once and don't really want to watch it again, your a very brave man.
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Re: Oldham scorethread sponsored by 3 points a must

Postby Martin Shaw » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:18 am

good summary as usual Tippy
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