bellwhiff wrote:Billy the fish wrote:Does make me wonder how many of the self professed experts on here have actually played the game ?? Quite a few I presume where last pick at there represented school a few years back for some granted . Surely the 5 or 6 top posters on this message board must have played professionally at some point ?? Ermm
I’m not sure of your logic. Are you saying that you can only have an opinion if you’ve played. How does that work with people like Mourinho?
Seems that everyone has a political opinion but no one on here has been an MP so how does that work ?
PS I played to a decent level and I’ve got a goal against a league team in my locker but that’s irrelevant.
pemill wrote:NC and his staff will work it out and I'm sure will coach every player to do the job he wants them to do.
If he thinks KG needs to defend more, take up a different position on the field or spots he is contributing negatively to the teams performance I'm sure he will discuss the matter with him - that's what really matters.
The rest are just opinions of us fans.
gazza1988 wrote:Right, kellan has not played "all his career" at right back.there's his signing interview, for us, skip to 14 seconds and it pops up with his name with "right wing back/right midfielder"
Skip to 1minute and stevo asks him where he sees himself playing. Guess what he says! As a winger.
Looks like it's not just a grumpy stags fan but kellan himself. On this page https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kellan- ... ler/370138 it lists where he's played (it's not perfect there are games with missing positions and it's unclear what they count right wing back as)
I made my concerns clear last season during our good run. If we had an injury crisis in defence then by all means I'd have Kellan in there. The issue Kellan has is Clough doesn't play with wingers Clough's teams are narrow. The width is provided by the attacking full backs. This is all well and good when attacking both him and McLaughlin (is it "lin" or "lan" at the end of his name?) are in their element but a sustained period of pressure where they are forced to stay back is when we are more likely to make an error. McLaughlan (hedging my bets on that:D) is less prone because of his experience, he's played left midfield and central midfield before so he's gained defensive experience.
I hope Clough has got Kellan working on the defensive side of his game if he is going to be first choice.
In Clough's formation I reckon Gordon could do a more effective job with on the right of the narrow diamond or at the top of it behind the forwards. If he prefers the 4-3-3 with inside forwards then right of the front 3. If he's to play right back then he'd fare better in the narrow diamond than 4-3-3 because he'd have support from the player on the right of the diamond whereas he'd have no support from the forward playing on the right of a 4-3-3.
Thats my take anyway. Not saying I'm a tactical mastermind or Clough is wrong or anything just my opinion.
yorkshire stag wrote:the Hull commentator mentioned we concede from the flanks tbf
Rob wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:the Hull commentator mentioned we concede from the flanks tbf
Yeah most teams do Dave, Hull did on Saturday
Most chances for both teams came from out wide, just look at the highlights and you'll see many of Hull's chances came down our left, yet Quinn was clearly our best player. It's down to how a team sets up just as much as down to individual players.
Rob wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:the Hull commentator mentioned we concede from the flanks tbf
Yeah most teams do Dave, Hull did on Saturday
Most chances for both teams came from out wide, just look at the highlights and you'll see many of Hull's chances came down our left, yet Quinn was clearly our best player. It's down to how a team sets up just as much as down to individual players.
Captain Cunno wrote:Prove it.
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Rob wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:the Hull commentator mentioned we concede from the flanks tbf
Yeah most teams do Dave, Hull did on Saturday
Most chances for both teams came from out wide, just look at the highlights and you'll see many of Hull's chances came down our left, yet Quinn was clearly our best player. It's down to how a team sets up just as much as down to individual players.
Total Hull chances in the highlights = 10
Chances from the left = 3 (including one when Kellan had been substituted)
Chances down the middle = 1
Chances from the right= 6 (including the goal)
You do know your left from your right don’t you? Or is it your maths which don’t add up (see what I did there )
So 60% of all chances conceded came down our right side, 30% from our left and 10% down the middle and that was despite Hull clearly targeting our left flank. The evidence is there for you to see.
Rob wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:Rob wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:the Hull commentator mentioned we concede from the flanks tbf
Yeah most teams do Dave, Hull did on Saturday
Most chances for both teams came from out wide, just look at the highlights and you'll see many of Hull's chances came down our left, yet Quinn was clearly our best player. It's down to how a team sets up just as much as down to individual players.
Total Hull chances in the highlights = 10
Chances from the left = 3 (including one when Kellan had been substituted)
Chances down the middle = 1
Chances from the right= 6 (including the goal)
You do know your left from your right don’t you? Or is it your maths which don’t add up (see what I did there )
So 60% of all chances conceded came down our right side, 30% from our left and 10% down the middle and that was despite Hull clearly targeting our left flank. The evidence is there for you to see.
You do understand the word "many", if you like I'll post you the definition and you can see how it differs to "most"
m1cksut wrote:back to the match, it was nice to see so many happy to shoot from distance, confidence must be pretty high for that to happen.
Captain Cunno wrote:Prove it.
Captain Cunno wrote:Why was the RB gonna be replaced after NC gave him a new contract recently ?
m1cksut wrote:back to the match, it was nice to see so many happy to shoot from distance, confidence must be pretty high for that to happen.
Vice President wrote:m1cksut wrote:back to the match, it was nice to see so many happy to shoot from distance, confidence must be pretty high for that to happen.
This is a big positive, as I felt that we were a bit 'shot-shy' last season. I hope this shooting more from distance is going to be the pattern for the whole season - especially as goal keepers today tend to parry rather than catch shots.
MTFCMusings wrote:Finally got round to watching the game. Really enjoyed it, great to watch and so many fine performances it’s difficult to single out any particular play.
The stern criticism of Gordon from yesterday’s seem a bit harsh in my opinion. He didn’t have the best of games but I was expecting to see a ‘disasterclass’ after some of the comments on here. I didn’t see any massive positional errors. Maybe over covering on occasions but keep in mind he was playing alongside Rawson who had played near enough a full game the day before and is not the quickest anyway, and then a striker, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Clough asked KG to be wary of that.
SPBS you have mentioned that six of the attacks came down the right hand side from the highlights, which is true, but it’s too simplistic to say because they came down his side they were his fault. Out of the six
1. Gordon beaten by a tricky winger touted for the Premier League. Could do better but hardly surprising.
2. No fault on KG here, he has his man but Clarke let’s his man run off the back of him. Gordon is out watching the winger as you’d want him to be.
3. No fault on KG, player lining up a shot from range, Gordon has to stay because he has a man on outside, a midfielder should block and does.
4. No fault on KG. There’s a big gap on the right but that’s because Lewis-Potter has drifted in and Gordon has followed him as you would want. Our narrow midfield means this will happen often against attacking full backs, midfielders have to be aware.
5. The goal. Again, KG’s man has drifted inside and he is with him. Oates can’t close down the full back quick enough.
6. Error by Gordon as his pass in intercepted which would have led to a goal as the bounce fell kindly for Hull. Could just have easily rebounded to a Stags player.
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