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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:47 am

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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Dan » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:47 am

pemill wrote:OK so in NC we trust and his main priority is fitness and no injuries - the isolations are a major disruption but they could continue.

The only thing I would say is the pre-season with Flitcroft's team was a wow, team playing well, getitng good results and they carried that into the season - just saying.


Yeah and look how that ended ;)

My worry is that we will pick up injuries due to the players being tired. Not a good way to start the season but then Nigel knows what he’s doing.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Rob » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:50 am

Dan wrote:
pemill wrote:OK so in NC we trust and his main priority is fitness and no injuries - the isolations are a major disruption but they could continue.

The only thing I would say is the pre-season with Flitcroft's team was a wow, team playing well, getitng good results and they carried that into the season - just saying.


Yeah and look how that ended ;)

My worry is that we will pick up injuries due to the players being tired. Not a good way to start the season but then Nigel knows what he’s doing.


Yep, fantastic entertainment and highest league position in 17 years :lol: Let's hope NC does as well, I think we'd all take that.

It's far, far to early to judge, its two and a half weeks until our first game.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:56 am

arsene wengers coat wrote:Say it every season, but teams that win their opener are statistically much more likely to get promoted.


Mansfield Town's Last 3 Promotions (First Game)
2012-2013: Lost 4-3 at home to Newport
2001-2002: Drew 1-1 away at Hartlepool
1991-1992: Drew 0-0 away at Scarborough

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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Sedgwick » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:57 am

DURHAM STAG wrote:But Flitcroft's team gets a lot of criticism on here because it fell away at the end of the season !


Starting the season on fire never ends well.... who has won it or been promoted when they were top after 10 games? Not many... Doing a Bolton last season or a stags in 2012/13 will do.

Slow start good finish.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:00 am

I'd rather get the points on the board early. It then gives you a chance to have a bad spell later on and drop points but still be in contention. If DF had started the season better and won another couple of games then we would easily have been promoted.

Paul Cox style 22 wins out of the last 25 league games don't happen very often!
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Curry 9 Brace 7 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:23 am

Dont get Dan on about flipping Flitcroft again., when the players let him and us down big style. As Vic and Bob said, you would not let it die.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Curry 9 Brace 7 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:25 am

Pre season are just get fit matches. I remember rubbish pre season scores but having a good season many a time
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby bear 73 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:40 am

Keep losing and conceding against inferior opposition to a fan is frustrating, when to play badly in any game you hope for a draw, But when the manager is happy, i am happy.
Covid still interrupting our game and it could be a few games into the season before some players are match fit, so i would understand why fitness levels are key
This game was never about competition but a training exercise behind closed doors, The Leeds manager got fined for spying.
More important who are we waiting for, will we be pleased or disappointed
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:52 am

Sedgwick wrote:
DURHAM STAG wrote:But Flitcroft's team gets a lot of criticism on here because it fell away at the end of the season !


Starting the season on fire never ends well.... who has won it or been promoted when they were top after 10 games? Not many... Doing a Bolton last season or a stags in 2012/13 will do.

Slow start good finish.


Position after 10 games - last five years

20/21 - Cheltenham 3rd, Cambridge 2nd, Bolton 19th, Morecambe 10th
19/20 - Crewe 2nd, Swindon 4th, Plymouth 14th, Northampton 12th
18/19 - Lincoln 1st, Bury 8th, MK Dons 13th, Tranmere 16th
17/18 - Accrington 3rd, Luton 5th, Wycombe 8th, Coventry 4th
16/17 - Portsmouth 4th, Plymouth 1st, Doncaster 3rd, Blackpool 13th

Average position of champions after 10 games : 3rd
Average position of automatically promoted after 10 games : 6th
Average position of play-off winners after 10 games : 11th
Average position of all promoted teams after 10 games : 7th

Last 10 years

20/21 - Cheltenham 3rd, Cambridge 2nd, Bolton 19th, Morecambe 10th
19/20 - Crewe 2nd, Swindon 4th, Plymouth 14th, Northampton 12th
18/19 - Lincoln 1st, Bury 8th, MK Dons 13th, Tranmere 16th
17/18 - Accrington 3rd, Luton 5th, Wycombe 8th, Coventry 4th
16/17 - Portsmouth 4th, Plymouth 1st, Doncaster 3rd, Blackpool 13th
15/16 - Northampton 10th, Oxford 6th, Bristol Rovers 14th, AFC Wimbledon 16th
14/15 - Burton 1st, Shrewsbury 7th, Bury 3rd, Southend 4th
13/14 - Chesterfield 1st, Scunthorpe 7th, Rochdale 8th, Fleetwood 2nd
12/13 - Gillingham 1st, Rotherham 11th, Port Vale 2nd, Bradford 7th
11/12 - Swindon 10th, Shrewsbury 2nd, Crawley 4th, Crewe 16th

Average position of champions after 10 games : 4th
Average position of automatically promoted after 10 games : 6th
Average position of play-off winners after 10 games : 10th
Average position of all promoted teams after 10 games : 7th

So, the team top of the league has only occupied 5 of 40 promotions spots in the last ten years (12.5%)

Final league position of teams top after 10 games

20/21 - Newport 5th
19/20 - Exeter 4th
18/19 - Lincoln 1st
17/18 - Notts County 5th
16/17 - Plymouth 2nd
15/16 - Wycombe 13th
14/15 - Burton 1st
13/14 - Chesterfield 1st
12/13 - Gillingham 1st
11/12 - Morecambe 15th

Average finishing position - 5th
Percentage that became champions - 40%
Percentage that were automatically promoted - 50%
Percentage that finished in the top 7 - 80%
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:29 am

Great statting.

That tells me that a strong start = a strong finish.

A good start relies on a good preseason.
You've got to go there and come back, to know where you've been.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby The One » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:30 am

Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:45 am

Great stats Sam.

So you need to aim to be in top 3/4 after 10 games to be champions, in the top 6 for automatic promotion and top 10/11 to have a chance of winning the play offs.

A good start to the season is very important.

Interestingly the Stags were 14th after playing their 10th game under DF in 2018-2019. A better start would have won us promotion. That's where we lost it as well as the usual poor DF finish to the season in the last 12 games.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby georgefostersbeard » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:51 am

The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?


They are going to be camping in Yorkshire Stag's back garden for two days of pep talks :lol:
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby The One » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:55 am

georgefostersbeard wrote:
The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?


They are going to be camping in Yorkshire Stag's back garden for two days of pep talks :lol:


Wow is Pep there also
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby yorkshire stag » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:00 pm

georgefostersbeard wrote:
The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?


They are going to be camping in Yorkshire Stag's back garden for two days of pep talks :lol:


i told you in confidence mouth :D

we are practicing passing & shooting for three days

oh & finding a quality CB

i’ll keep you updated
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:17 pm

The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?

Somewhere in the Midlands
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:21 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?

Somewhere in the Midlands


I think when he was at Derby he used to take them to Repton School.

Clough he definitely mentioned swimming, so this Savage story is likely what the players will encounter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/28589313.amp
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:25 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?

Somewhere in the Midlands


Once upon a time in the Midlands...
You've got to go there and come back, to know where you've been.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby georgefostersbeard » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:36 pm

yorkshire stag wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:
The One wrote:Clough said players going away for two days. Wonder where ?


They are going to be camping in Yorkshire Stag's back garden for two days of pep talks :lol:


i told you in confidence mouth :D

we are practicing passing & shooting for three days

oh & finding a quality CB

i’ll keep you updated


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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby Big yella » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:43 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Great stats Sam.

So you need to aim to be in top 3/4 after 10 games to be champions, in the top 6 for automatic promotion and top 10/11 to have a chance of winning the play offs.

A good start to the season is very important.

Interestingly the Stags were 14th after playing their 10th game under DF in 2018-2019. A better start would have won us promotion. That's where we lost it as well as the usual poor DF finish to the season in the last 12 games.

Yeah truly great stats that no one ever thought of before. I mean before statos came along who’d ever heard of the saying “let’s see where we are after 10 games, that’s when the table begins to take shape.” Well except everyone.

Giant leap forward for the game due to the statos again, how on earth did football make it 150 years without them.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby MTFCMusings » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:49 pm

I’ve never know a word trigger someone so prolifically :lol:
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby I am Spartacus » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:34 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:I’ve never know a word trigger someone so prolifically :lol:


For the sake of Big Yella’s mental well being please stay away from the phrase, ‘expected goals’. :lol:
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby I am Spartacus » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:37 pm

Irrespective of stats, stats, glorious stats a win against Bristol Rovers would give the team, the fans and the town in general a lift. To be able to walk back into town with a win under the belt, daft dreams of going a whole season undefeated and heading for a pint to celebrate is what I would take right now.

As for are we promotion contenders and are we headed in the right direction, let’s see when the first round of the FA cup is played. As good an indication as any as to how we ill finish the season.
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Re: Secret Codhead match Scorefred.

Postby arsene wengers coat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42 pm

“let’s see where we are after 10 games, that’s when the table begins to take shape” is a bit different from looking at historical trends to help understand how the early games in the season impact the final league standings.

If there is something we can do to improve our chances of promotion, we should do it. A good start to the season seems to elevate a teams success rate.

So it's important to win our first game and be up there at 10 games. If we are near top after 10 games, we're in with a good chance, if we're not, history tells us we're unlikely to compete.
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