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[bellwhiff]

Well if it pings you, get tested, negative then you're ok, positive do as the app says... simple

Also re the above:

Sooner the better... Its a virus that kills people older then the average age of death in the uk and has a less than 1% of killing anyone anyway and society has collapsed over it, its especially made people flipping weird.

The hospitals are fine, Most who need It are now vaccinated, cases are rising but deaths nor hospitalisations aren't... just like many other things we live with. I just think the government have missed an opportunity to promote healthy lifestyles.

What an absolute crock of raspberries !!

It kills people of all ages, but the average age is high as older people are more susceptible. Do older people not matter to you ? They have had their time so stuff them ?
20% of covid deaths in the UK in June 2021 were under 60.

Society has 'collapsed' as you put it, because we have tried to protect people from a highly contagious disease . We will learn to live with it but we have to get it under control first and it is out of control again at the moment as restrictions were released too soon before we had enough of the adult population vaccinated.

It's not just about deaths - what about long covid ? What about people who are being left with lifelong organ damage ? Is that acceptable ?

Hospitalisations are rising - they have doubled in the last 2 weeks. Case numbers are doubling every 2 weeks and hospitalisations are following suit but with a 2-4 week lag as it takes a while for the virus to take hold to that extent.

Hospitals are not fine - try looking at social media posts from people who are working in the hospitals - some in the areas of higher case numbers are already at breaking point and it is getting worse.

Sorry. Not having that. Your stat that 20pc of deaths were under 60 is utterly without context. How many of the other deaths of over 60s were vaccinated. How is the actual number a comparison of deaths before vaccinations started ? You also allude that hospitalisations are rising at the same rate as infections. Not having that. Compare the second wave in January to this one. The hospitalisations and deaths are a magnitude lower. Have you factored in issues with mental health? The economy ? The cold hard fact is that we are going to have to live with this. The sooner we crack on the better. Personally, my behaviour won’t change a bit. But that’s my choice. I’ll stay away from people while out. Masks aren’t the panacea that are being made out. Stay away from others if you don’t want it.

[Martin Shaw]

Please use the news and politics forum if you want to discuss the prime minister, the virus, vaccinations. Thank you.

[Dave Wayne]

Please use the news and politics forum if you want to discuss the prime minister, the virus, vaccinations. Thank you.

Surely it is of some relevance to this forum when somebody has been 'pinged' from attending a Stags game ?
If we go into another lockdown in 5-6 weeks time and can't watch football will we be allowed to discuss it then ?

[Martin Shaw]

Please use the news and politics forum if you want to discuss the prime minister, the virus, vaccinations. Thank you.

Surely it is of some relevance to this forum when somebody has been 'pinged' from attending a Stags game ?
If we go into another lockdown in 5-6 weeks time and can't watch football will we be allowed to discuss it then ?

yes, the initial posts discussing people being pinged at the Retford game were of relevance. The subsequent ones discussing the prime minister, vaccinations etc etc - please use the news and politics forum.

[Dave Wayne]

Please use the news and politics forum if you want to discuss the prime minister, the virus, vaccinations. Thank you.

Surely it is of some relevance to this forum when somebody has been 'pinged' from attending a Stags game ?
If we go into another lockdown in 5-6 weeks time and can't watch football will we be allowed to discuss it then ?

yes, the initial posts discussing people being pinged at the Retford game were of relevance. The subsequent ones discussing the prime minister, vaccinations etc etc - please use the news and politics forum.

Agreed to some extent, but then we had people encouraging others to delete the app and ignore the requests to self isolate.
I am happy to see this posted on the main forum as it makes the decision to keep my season ticket in my drawer for the foreseeable future so much easier.
I would love to be back at Field Mill watching the Stags, but I am not prepared to put myself or my family at risk by sitting surrounded by people who are happy to ignore the basic guidance.
So much for relying on people's personal responsibility and respect for other people.

[Rob]

Well if it pings you, get tested, negative then you're ok, positive do as the app says... simple

Also re the above:

Sooner the better... Its a virus that kills people older then the average age of death in the uk and has a less than 1% of killing anyone anyway and society has collapsed over it, its especially made people flipping weird.

The hospitals are fine, Most who need It are now vaccinated, cases are rising but deaths nor hospitalisations aren't... just like many other things we live with. I just think the government have missed an opportunity to promote healthy lifestyles.

What an absolute crock of raspberries !!

It kills people of all ages, but the average age is high as older people are more susceptible. Do older people not matter to you ? They have had their time so stuff them ?
20% of covid deaths in the UK in June 2021 were under 60.

Society has 'collapsed' as you put it, because we have tried to protect people from a highly contagious disease . We will learn to live with it but we have to get it under control first and it is out of control again at the moment as restrictions were released too soon before we had enough of the adult population vaccinated.

It's not just about deaths - what about long covid ? What about people who are being left with lifelong organ damage ? Is that acceptable ?

Hospitalisations are rising - they have doubled in the last 2 weeks. Case numbers are doubling every 2 weeks and hospitalisations are following suit but with a 2-4 week lag as it takes a while for the virus to take hold to that extent.

Hospitals are not fine - try looking at social media posts from people who are working in the hospitals - some in the areas of higher case numbers are already at breaking point and it is getting worse.

Sorry. Not having that. Your stat that 20pc of deaths were under 60 is utterly without context. How many of the other deaths of over 60s were vaccinated. How is the actual number a comparison of deaths before vaccinations started ? You also allude that hospitalisations are rising at the same rate as infections. Not having that. Compare the second wave in January to this one. The hospitalisations and deaths are a magnitude lower. Have you factored in issues with mental health? The economy ? The cold hard fact is that we are going to have to live with this. The sooner we crack on the better. Personally, my behaviour won’t change a bit. But that’s my choice. I’ll stay away from people while out. Masks aren’t the panacea that are being made out. Stay away from others if you don’t want it.

So you won't be wearing a mask at all? You do realise wearing a mask is for the benefit of others, not you?

I will be going to the games, like many I've had both jabs and with it being outdoors the risk is lower. However, for the safety of others I'll be wearing a mask indoors, not just because I'm an ugly xxxx but because I might have the virus with no symptoms and masks are proven to help reduce the spread. I believe all responsible people will do the same.

[Dave Wayne]

Well if it pings you, get tested, negative then you're ok, positive do as the app says... simple

Also re the above:

Sooner the better... Its a virus that kills people older then the average age of death in the uk and has a less than 1% of killing anyone anyway and society has collapsed over it, its especially made people flipping weird.

The hospitals are fine, Most who need It are now vaccinated, cases are rising but deaths nor hospitalisations aren't... just like many other things we live with. I just think the government have missed an opportunity to promote healthy lifestyles.

What an absolute crock of raspberries !!

It kills people of all ages, but the average age is high as older people are more susceptible. Do older people not matter to you ? They have had their time so stuff them ?
20% of covid deaths in the UK in June 2021 were under 60.

Society has 'collapsed' as you put it, because we have tried to protect people from a highly contagious disease . We will learn to live with it but we have to get it under control first and it is out of control again at the moment as restrictions were released too soon before we had enough of the adult population vaccinated.

It's not just about deaths - what about long covid ? What about people who are being left with lifelong organ damage ? Is that acceptable ?

Hospitalisations are rising - they have doubled in the last 2 weeks. Case numbers are doubling every 2 weeks and hospitalisations are following suit but with a 2-4 week lag as it takes a while for the virus to take hold to that extent.

Hospitals are not fine - try looking at social media posts from people who are working in the hospitals - some in the areas of higher case numbers are already at breaking point and it is getting worse.

Sorry. Not having that. Your stat that 20pc of deaths were under 60 is utterly without context. How many of the other deaths of over 60s were vaccinated. How is the actual number a comparison of deaths before vaccinations started ? You also allude that hospitalisations are rising at the same rate as infections. Not having that. Compare the second wave in January to this one. The hospitalisations and deaths are a magnitude lower. Have you factored in issues with mental health? The economy ? The cold hard fact is that we are going to have to live with this. The sooner we crack on the better. Personally, my behaviour won’t change a bit. But that’s my choice. I’ll stay away from people while out. Masks aren’t the panacea that are being made out. Stay away from others if you don’t want it.

So you won't be wearing a mask at all? You do realise wearing a mask is for the benefit of others, not you?

I will be going to the games, like many I've had both jabs and with it being outdoors the risk is lower. However, for the safety of others I'll be wearing a mask indoors, not just because I'm an ugly xxxx but because I might have the virus with no symptoms and masks are proven to help reduce the spread. I believe all responsible people will do the same.

Interesting last sentence Rob. Now take a look at the fans gallery in the Matlock thread. Pre-match info, signs at the ground, and announcements over the PA stating that "masks must be worn in the stands".
We must be very unhealthy in Mansfield because there are appear to be a lot of people with medical exemptions !!

[marker_mtfc95]

Ain’t wearing mine.

[Sneag]

I'll be wearing mine.

[bellwhiff]

Well if it pings you, get tested, negative then you're ok, positive do as the app says... simple

Also re the above:

Sooner the better... Its a virus that kills people older then the average age of death in the uk and has a less than 1% of killing anyone anyway and society has collapsed over it, its especially made people flipping weird.

The hospitals are fine, Most who need It are now vaccinated, cases are rising but deaths nor hospitalisations aren't... just like many other things we live with. I just think the government have missed an opportunity to promote healthy lifestyles.

What an absolute crock of raspberries !!

It kills people of all ages, but the average age is high as older people are more susceptible. Do older people not matter to you ? They have had their time so stuff them ?
20% of covid deaths in the UK in June 2021 were under 60.

Society has 'collapsed' as you put it, because we have tried to protect people from a highly contagious disease . We will learn to live with it but we have to get it under control first and it is out of control again at the moment as restrictions were released too soon before we had enough of the adult population vaccinated.

It's not just about deaths - what about long covid ? What about people who are being left with lifelong organ damage ? Is that acceptable ?

Hospitalisations are rising - they have doubled in the last 2 weeks. Case numbers are doubling every 2 weeks and hospitalisations are following suit but with a 2-4 week lag as it takes a while for the virus to take hold to that extent.

Hospitals are not fine - try looking at social media posts from people who are working in the hospitals - some in the areas of higher case numbers are already at breaking point and it is getting worse.

Sorry. Not having that. Your stat that 20pc of deaths were under 60 is utterly without context. How many of the other deaths of over 60s were vaccinated. How is the actual number a comparison of deaths before vaccinations started ? You also allude that hospitalisations are rising at the same rate as infections. Not having that. Compare the second wave in January to this one. The hospitalisations and deaths are a magnitude lower. Have you factored in issues with mental health? The economy ? The cold hard fact is that we are going to have to live with this. The sooner we crack on the better. Personally, my behaviour won’t change a bit. But that’s my choice. I’ll stay away from people while out. Masks aren’t the panacea that are being made out. Stay away from others if you don’t want it.

So you won't be wearing a mask at all? You do realise wearing a mask is for the benefit of others, not you?

I will be going to the games, like many I've had both jabs and with it being outdoors the risk is lower. However, for the safety of others I'll be wearing a mask indoors, not just because I'm an ugly xxxx but because I might have the virus with no symptoms and masks are proven to help reduce the spread. I believe all responsible people will do the same.

“Personally my behaviour won’t change one bit”. Did you miss that. I won’t change my opinion on masks but I will wear one, mainly to give some confidence to others that I’m taking the pandemic seriously. But the fact is that masks give limited protection to people. I read an article yesterday that the Covid particles are 500 times smaller than the holes in a mask. But as I said, as part of the greater good, I’ll wear one where appropriate

[Rob]

Fair enough I misunderstood, I thought you were saying masks were of no benefit so hadn't been wearing one. Scientists do agree that masks of any kind do have some effect in reducing the spread so clearly the unselfish thing to do is to wear masks indoors. Given the huge increase in cases it should still be a legal requirement as for every person like you or I there is a marker_mtfc95. If cases keep rising we will soon be locked out of the Mill again so each of us should at least continue to do what we can to mitigate the risk. It's not hard.

[bellwhiff]

Fair enough I misunderstood, I thought you were saying masks were of no benefit so hadn't been wearing one. Scientists do agree that masks of any kind do have some effect in reducing the spread so clearly the unselfish thing to do is to wear masks indoors. Given the huge increase in cases it should still be a legal requirement as for every person like you or I there is a marker_mtfc95. If cases keep rising we will soon be locked out of the Mill again so each of us should at least continue to do what we can to mitigate the risk. It's not hard.

Yep I understand that and that is why my personal behaviour will not change. I stay clear of people and that isn’t going to change. Think the only change I’ll make is that I’ll start shaking friends hands again but I’ll have a quick dab of disinfectant after. Got a small bottles that I carry round.

[marker_mtfc95]

Fair enough I misunderstood, I thought you were saying masks were of no benefit so hadn't been wearing one. Scientists do agree that masks of any kind do have some effect in reducing the spread so clearly the unselfish thing to do is to wear masks indoors. Given the huge increase in cases it should still be a legal requirement as for every person like you or I there is a marker_mtfc95. If cases keep rising we will soon be locked out of the Mill again so each of us should at least continue to do what we can to mitigate the risk. It's not hard.

At the end of day it comes down to personal choice, I am not against anyone wearing a mask, but either way we have to get back to normal at some point, not just that but government changes its mind, like the weather.

[Dan]

Fair enough I misunderstood, I thought you were saying masks were of no benefit so hadn't been wearing one. Scientists do agree that masks of any kind do have some effect in reducing the spread so clearly the unselfish thing to do is to wear masks indoors. Given the huge increase in cases it should still be a legal requirement as for every person like you or I there is a marker_mtfc95. If cases keep rising we will soon be locked out of the Mill again so each of us should at least continue to do what we can to mitigate the risk. It's not hard.

At the end of day it comes down to personal choice, I am not against anyone wearing a mask, but either way we have to get back to normal at some point, not just that but government changes its mind, like the weather.

You’ll be in trouble now

[Rob]

Fair enough I misunderstood, I thought you were saying masks were of no benefit so hadn't been wearing one. Scientists do agree that masks of any kind do have some effect in reducing the spread so clearly the unselfish thing to do is to wear masks indoors. Given the huge increase in cases it should still be a legal requirement as for every person like you or I there is a marker_mtfc95. If cases keep rising we will soon be locked out of the Mill again so each of us should at least continue to do what we can to mitigate the risk. It's not hard.

At the end of day it comes down to personal choice, I am not against anyone wearing a mask, but either way we have to get back to normal at some point, not just that but government changes its mind, like the weather.

That's true but as I said, wearing a mask is benefitting others. This is Stags and football related because we all can't wait to get back to the stadium so we should really do all we can to stop it closing again, wearing a mask in supermarkets and public transport isn't much to ask to help suppress the really high infection rate.

[chip63]

How many won't go to the Stags because of no masks required?
The concourse should be compulsory, in the stands I don't think so, though I would wear one if I couldn't find space.
Season ticket holders are probably going to be in the most congested seats but there's nothing to stop them moving if they don't feel safe.

[groundhoppingstag]

How many won't go to the Stags because of no masks required?
The concourse should be compulsory, in the stands I don't think so, though I would wear one if I couldn't find space.
Season ticket holders are probably going to be in the most congested seats but there's nothing to stop them moving if they don't feel safe.

I don't expect it to be anymore congested than Wembley Way was for the Euro 2020 Final.

[lifestags]

we do need to take the plunge eventually though, whenever that would of been it would always been weird and for some people scary to go back to ''normal'' I don't think this is ever going to go away.

(I will be wearing masks in the Concourse but not in the ground)