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Re: Cloughie

Postby Dan » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:38 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


It can’t be that high surely? According to the experts in this thread NC is useless and doesn’t know what he’s doing :roll:
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Re: Cloughie

Postby lifestags » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:00 pm

Dan wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


It can’t be that high surely? According to the experts in this thread NC is useless and doesn’t know what he’s doing :roll:



How many of them since the end of Jan though? That's when the squad was left short and we have struggled to put a first team out since.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby James » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pm

End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby HitchcocksShins » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:27 pm

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Re: Cloughie

Postby Sneag » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:52 pm

lifestags wrote:
Dan wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


It can’t be that high surely? According to the experts in this thread NC is useless and doesn’t know what he’s doing :roll:



How many of them since the end of Jan though? That's when the squad was left short and we have struggled to put a first team out since.


Spurs have a 300 man squad. How many games do they win when harry Kane is injured?
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Re: Cloughie

Postby Torrystag » Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:24 pm

Yes but they only have maureehnio as there boss
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:11 pm

Torrystag wrote:Yes but they only have maureehnio as there boss



What? :lol:
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:30 pm

James wrote:End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.

It’s got a lot to do with transfers and a frankly pathetic transfer window
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:32 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
James wrote:End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.

It’s got a lot to do with transfers and a frankly pathetic transfer window



Did you think we had a poor window? You should've said mate.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:36 pm

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bellwhiff wrote:
James wrote:End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.

It’s got a lot to do with transfers and a frankly pathetic transfer window



Did you think we had a poor window? You should've said mate.


You seem to be reusing that one. Have you stopped to consider I might be right ?

Do you think we had a poor window ?
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:44 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
James wrote:End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.

It’s got a lot to do with transfers and a frankly pathetic transfer window



Did you think we had a poor window? You should've said mate.


You seem to be reusing that one. Have you stopped to consider I might be right ?

Do you think we had a poor window ?



No I dont. It would've been nice to have another striker in, but I didn't expect much spending to happen. We managed to get rid of two 'lazy' high earners, who didn't wanna be here.

Remit for Cloughie would've been to get us to the end of the season still in League Two, I believe he'll achieve that without signing a load of dump in Jan. More money for the squad improvements in the summer :D
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Re: Cloughie

Postby adamstag » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:53 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
James wrote:End of Jan also coincided with our best player being out injured. That had nothing to do with transfers as we have plenty of options in midfield.

It’s got a lot to do with transfers and a frankly pathetic transfer window



Did you think we had a poor window? You should've said mate.


You seem to be reusing that one. Have you stopped to consider I might be right ?

Do you think we had a poor window ?



No I dont. It would've been nice to have another striker in, but I didn't expect much spending to happen. We managed to get rid of two 'lazy' high earners, who didn't wanna be here.

Remit for Cloughie would've been to get us to the end of the season still in League Two, I believe he'll achieve that without signing a load of dump in Jan. More money for the squad improvements in the summer :D


I agree, exactly right.

Even if some deem it a poor transfer window, which is also partially right, constantly banging on about it isn’t going to change anything
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Re: Cloughie

Postby Billy the fish » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:59 pm

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Stagdale wrote:Clough totally messed up the transfer window and we are now down to bare bones......of rubbish. This may come back to haunt him. It is difficult to see where the next goal is coming from.

This. It was an absolute shambles of a transfer window for the club. As much as Clough deserves praise for the run of wins, he has to take the blame for the almost insane weakening of the squad. Massive gamble.


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Re: Cloughie

Postby lifestags » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:00 pm

Sneag wrote:
lifestags wrote:
Dan wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


It can’t be that high surely? According to the experts in this thread NC is useless and doesn’t know what he’s doing :roll:



How many of them since the end of Jan though? That's when the squad was left short and we have struggled to put a first team out since.


Spurs have a 300 man squad. How many games do they win when harry Kane is injured?


Fair point, although they did get to a champions league final without him.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby Richard Cranium » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:15 pm

HitchcocksShins wrote:Page six! Page six! Page six!


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Re: Cloughie

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:28 pm

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HitchcocksShins wrote:Page six! Page six! Page six!


Easy init

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Re: Cloughie

Postby gazza1988 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:33 pm

Yes it was a poor transfer window. What if that's the best we could get though?

We're all assuming we had a plethora of options.

I think Clough wanted targets that he'd want next season as well. Those fell through.

At the time we were flying. If Clough could see the situation now I'm certain he'd have not signed Sarkic and looked for more cover up front.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby georgefostersbeard » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:30 pm

Richard Cranium wrote:Is he the right man?


Still yes
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Re: Cloughie

Postby Dan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:04 pm

georgefostersbeard wrote:
Richard Cranium wrote:Is he the right man?


Still yes


He always has been.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby MutinyOnTheCounty » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:28 pm

Dan wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:
Richard Cranium wrote:Is he the right man?


Still yes


He always has been.


Each to their own like, but I can't believe anyone seriously thinks otherwise?

Managers will always get things wrong, tactically & with recruitment, even at the highest level. The ones with fantastic records generally don't hang about in league 2 for long

I just hope some fans ambitions don't outstrip reality ;)
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Re: Cloughie

Postby G B » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:30 pm

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G B wrote:Even if we went down to the Conference I'd want him as manager next season. I doubt it will come to that and it would be a disaster, but why do people think constantly changing management will work? His CV is second to none and given time he will bring success.

The impatience and irrational thinking after every defeat is ridiculous.



You obviously havent read his CV


Yes I have and his win percentage is impressive over a prolonged period of time with every club he has managed. He also has promotions to his name at several levels, not to mention being successful on limited budgets.

So you advise me who you would prefer as a realistic alternative with a better record? Would you be willing to give anyone more than ten minutes once things weren't going well?

You only seem to post critical / negative comments or reply on posts that are negative. Granted, it's not unique on here but the lack of balance is noticeable.



I post about what I see as being facts , at this present time , Mr Clough's overall win rate is just over 36% during his long career..fact , but his past record is of no consequence at this moment in time. The "Here and Now" is what is important. There was nothing negative in my last post I actually said I hoped he would succeed and I'm not asking for a new manager! ,you clearly do not understand cognitive reasoning. I have been supporting the Stags for over 50 years and have seen many different Managers come and go , some good , some bad , some downright hopeless I sincerely hope Mr Clough turns out to be one of the better ones and eventually takes us into a higher division but currently I don't think many people are seeing positives and I was amazed at his post match interview that he said he thought we played ok against Barrow and deserved a 0-0 draw...did you watch the game?


A past record of 36% is decent enough given the budgets he had at the clubs managed and the amount of years in management.
11 wins out of 25 since he came to the Stags, who were 22nd without a league win before that indicates the 'Here and Now' to be OK in my eyes and begs the question, what is the problem and what do you realistically want or expect?

To answer your question, I watched Saturdays game, tonights game and every other game this season. The above is good enough for me and the vast majority but some obviously have bigger expectations.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby MTFCMusings » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:33 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


Make that 44%, 46% with Sunderland.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby bobbystagsfan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:37 pm

He's saved our bacon this season big time. And Coops for a bit n all!

Without these stopping the rot, I think we'd have been screwed if Coughlan's form carried on for longer than it did.

The real test will be next season, I think Nigel will get us challenging again. I just hope there's just not a massive uproar if we're not promoted next year. Hopefully expectations will be a little lower after the past couple of disastrous seasons we've had.
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Re: Cloughie

Postby James » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:38 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
Johnny H wrote:Does anyone know NC's win ratio in all comps since he arrived ??


42%

10/24

Incredibly good when taking over a side 22nd in the table, yet to win a game.

44% if you include the Sunderland game.


Make that 44%, 46% with Sunderland.


But, but, what is it after our horrendous January window....?
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Re: Cloughie

Postby ParisStag » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:09 am

The crap about him messing up the window, is well just that, crap. He missed out on Akins, but it wasn't the end of the world. He'll get him in summer. We're fine as a squad for what we are aiming for this season, which is: stay up, push up the league as much as possible, while building momentum and team spirit for next season. Bringing in a different striker just for the sake of having one would have been a mistake. Clough knows who he trusts to be the right fit and he would rather waitfoe him than upset the squad now. He's playing a calculated long game and I think he's right to.
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