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Vaccinate players?

Postby chip63 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:00 pm

It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.

Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby old ram stag » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:03 pm

chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.

Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.


Will season ticket holders get it first, followed by Ssa members then general jab?
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Birminghamstag10 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:03 pm

There's a similar debate around the Olympics. I think most athletes were saying they'd only agree to it if it wasn't at the expense of those who need it more. Not sure how we'd ever answer that one.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dave Wayne » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:23 pm

The government have laid out a vaccination schedule based on risk with medical staff, the elderly, and the vulnerable top of the list, and then filtering down by age groups.
There are currently issues in the roll out of the vaccine due to shortages of glass vials for delivering it.
If you start bringing in 'exceptions' that can jump the queue, where does it stop ?
Footballers first, then Rugby, Cricket, and various other professional sports ?
Then do we move on to frontline workers ? Essential retail staff ? Police ? Public Transport workers ? Government ministers ?
Before we knew it there would be so many 'exceptions' that the elderly wouldn't be getting a look in.
The testing of footballers is a great idea to reduce the risk, and should have been done right from the start, but prioritising them for vaccination when they are generally young, fit and healthy would be close to eugenics.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby PEAR CIDER » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:30 pm

Yep agree,

The only potential benefit is to peoples mental health. Many people are relying on football to get them through the evenings.

But on the whole, a footballer is no more important than anyone on this message board. Vulnerable first, then down the age brackets. Footballers shouldn't be the exception just to keep the cog turning. There are many industries that we rely on more.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Jimstag » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:36 pm

The problem is that whilst you may not get sick we still don’t know if vaccinated people can spread the disease, that could potentially cause a problem depending on support and sport bubbles etc. and who they mix with?
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Postby Birminghamstag10 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:41 pm

it's a non starter from a purely ethical perspective.
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Postby The One » Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:57 pm

Birminghamstag10 wrote:it's a non starter from a purely ethical perspective.


Common sense alert. Well said.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby stag324 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:08 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:The government have laid out a vaccination schedule based on risk with medical staff, the elderly, and the vulnerable top of the list, and then filtering down by age groups.
There are currently issues in the roll out of the vaccine due to shortages of glass vials for delivering it.
If you start bringing in 'exceptions' that can jump the queue, where does it stop ?
Footballers first, then Rugby, Cricket, and various other professional sports ?
Then do we move on to frontline workers ? Essential retail staff ? Police ? Public Transport workers ? Government ministers ?
Before we knew it there would be so many 'exceptions' that the elderly wouldn't be getting a look in.
The testing of footballers is a great idea to reduce the risk, and should have been done right from the start, but prioritising them for vaccination when they are generally young, fit and healthy would be close to eugenics.


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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:14 pm

What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.
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Postby one f in mansfield » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:25 pm

old ram stag wrote:
chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.

Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.


Will season ticket holders get it first, followed by Ssa members then general jab?


totally agree Old Ram Stag

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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby chip63 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:33 pm

The money spent on each swab test could be used towards the vaccine,
The people taking the swabs could be injecting the vaccine instead.
If every club agreed to set up a vaccination hub at their ground then it would be ethical.
All players could be vaccinated in half a day, you then have thousands of extra vaccinations each week.
If chemists can do it, then there is no reason clubs can't.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:34 pm

One of Notts County’s players has basically gone on strike by refusing to train with his team mates or play matches until something like this is done.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby chip63 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:36 pm

one f in mansfield wrote:
old ram stag wrote:
chip63 wrote:It would be easier and cheaper and safer to vaccinate players than to mass test twice a week.
Surely the person taking the swab could just as easily give an injection.

Not really my words but Sean dyche, at first I was disgusted but after a little thought it's not that crazy.
If they did set this up and continued helping to vaccinate the general public it could help.
Every club setting up a vaccination scheme and doing a minimum of 1000 a week.


Will season ticket holders get it first, followed by Ssa members then general jab?


totally agree Old Ram Stag

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Could you imagine the queue for season tickets if you were also allowed in sandy pate bar for a pint :D
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dave Wayne » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:37 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:41 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.


I think life in general is like that now.
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Postby Amber Andy » Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:54 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.

Well said Dave.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dave Wayne » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:16 pm

Dan wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.


I think life in general is like that now.

Maybe so, but it doesn't make it right, and in the situation we are in now we need to work together as a human race rather than everyone assuming they are more important than somebody else.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby Dan » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:17 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:
Dan wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.


I think life in general is like that now.

Maybe so, but it doesn't make it right, and in the situation we are in now we need to work together as a human race rather than everyone assuming they are more important than somebody else.


Completely agree.
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Postby Rob » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:45 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:The government have laid out a vaccination schedule based on risk with medical staff, the elderly, and the vulnerable top of the list, and then filtering down by age groups.
There are currently issues in the roll out of the vaccine due to shortages of glass vials for delivering it.
If you start bringing in 'exceptions' that can jump the queue, where does it stop ?
Footballers first, then Rugby, Cricket, and various other professional sports ?
Then do we move on to frontline workers ? Essential retail staff ? Police ? Public Transport workers ? Government ministers ?
Before we knew it there would be so many 'exceptions' that the elderly wouldn't be getting a look in.
The testing of footballers is a great idea to reduce the risk, and should have been done right from the start, but prioritising them for vaccination when they are generally young, fit and healthy would be close to eugenics.


Totally agree. The priorities have been set by the health experts, that really is the right thing to follow.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby oldweststander » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:05 pm

Birminghamstag10 wrote:it's a non starter from a purely ethical perspective.


Totally agree, can you imagine the outrage. It is a non-starter.
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Postby wink68 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:11 pm

Vaccinate your star striker who is a young fit lad and may not even show any symptoms and not your granny who will be very ill or probably die. Anyone even thinking this should be ashamed of themselves. There's an order of vaccination set out for a reason. No matter how rich you are you can't jump the queue and so it should be.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby chip63 » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:01 pm

wink68 wrote:Vaccinate your star striker who is a young fit lad and may not even show any symptoms and not your granny who will be very ill or probably die. Anyone even thinking this should be ashamed of themselves. There's an order of vaccination set out for a reason. No matter how rich you are you can't jump the queue and so it should be.


Take 10 mins to vaccinate your star striker, the weeks to follow could see thousands of vulnerable people vaccinated.
I think the question is the waste of resources on testing young fit footballers twice a week when it could be used in a better way.
It must be costing nearly half a million a week.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:07 pm

Amber Andy wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.

Well said Dave.


But that's not what Dyche or I said is it. If the FA somehow bought 10k doses for pro players and administered it. I didn't mean players buying it by the single dose. This would be in addition to the NHS. Didn't mean Joe Public bidding for jabs mate.
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Re: Vaccinate players?

Postby part time pete » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:12 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
Amber Andy wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:What if it was acquired privately. Not taking any doses away from the NHS. Why would that be unethical. The more peoples arms it's in the less it can spread. It doesn't spread from care home to care home by it's self does it?

It's like saying private health care is unethical. But if it reduces the burden on the NHS that's good right? Even if they aren't at risk of death.

Dyche is right it would be easier and cheaper for everyone than all the testing.

Because it is in limited supply and we are in the middle of a world wide epidemic.
If people were allowed to pay to jump the queue then yes it would be extremely unethical as people buying it privately would turn it into a bidding war and then it would literally become 'survival of the richest'.
Professional footballers would be able to get the vaccine before health workers and vulnerable people, especially those in poorer countries.

Well said Dave.


But that's not what Dyche or I said is it. If the FA somehow bought 10k doses for pro players and administered it. This would be in addition to the NHS. Not Joe Public bidding for jabs mate.


Can’t you understand, there are not any vaccines to buy. They have already all been bought by the government.
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