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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 pm

That's where I got it from. Thanks Martin and sedgewick.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby diablo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:51 pm

Just watched the highlights ,even worse than first time around.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Gruff » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:00 pm

Sedgwick wrote:
Gruff wrote:-------------------- Stone ---------------------
O'Keefe -- O'Driscoll -- Sweeney -- Benning
----------------------Perch---------------------
----------- Clarke ----------- Charsley--------
------ Reid----------------------McLaughlin--
---------------------- Cook --------------------

Labslie would be in for Charsely if available
Can switch to 442 without subs
Can switch to 433 and bring Maynard on for McLaughlan

Sorted...


Reid on the wing... one up front? :shock: brilliant how opinions differ so much


Nah.. Reid and McLaughlin playing behind Cook in defined attacking midfield roles to pick up the knock backs and run onto the flick-ons.
Makes their defence either push up or drop back, not possible to mark without changing the opposition formation and disrupting their midfield and defence... trust me :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:31 pm

Gruff wrote:
Sedgwick wrote:
Gruff wrote:-------------------- Stone ---------------------
O'Keefe -- O'Driscoll -- Sweeney -- Benning
----------------------Perch---------------------
----------- Clarke ----------- Charsley--------
------ Reid----------------------McLaughlin--
---------------------- Cook --------------------

Labslie would be in for Charsely if available
Can switch to 442 without subs
Can switch to 433 and bring Maynard on for McLaughlan

Sorted...


Reid on the wing... one up front? :shock: brilliant how opinions differ so much


Nah.. Reid and McLaughlin playing behind Cook in defined attacking midfield roles to pick up the knock backs and run onto the flick-ons.
Makes their defence either push up or drop back, not possible to mark without changing the opposition formation and disrupting their midfield and defence... trust me :lol: :lol: :lol:


Get your strongest and best in the air defender to man mark Cook and clear to the wings. Forces us to essentially go 4-5-1 and isolate Cook. Anyone who plays with a back 3 would have a field day. This is the thing it's not about having a "plan B" it's about having the tactical nous and personnel to deal with problems as they arise.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby lifestags » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:09 pm

I would consider going 451 tbh, back to basics, clean sheet, ball up to cook get runners off him.

Just until confidence comes back.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:10 pm

First names on the team sheet: Stone and Cook.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Gruff » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:10 pm

I'd take the chance on Cook with a man-mark/one-on-one.... Thank you.
Other 2 centre backs pushing up to pick up our AM's, then we can have a sprint to get to the ball played inside, or we're running at them with the ball
Make the opposition think. If everybody is playing 532 or 442, make them adapt to cover something different.... Start with Plan C, and move back to Plan A & B if you're struggling.
(and that's more plans than I've noticed at t'Mill in the past 10 years)
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Sedgwick » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:28 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:First names on the team sheet: Stone and Cook.


More like Bowrey. :? :lol:
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby pemill » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 pm

georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 pm

Gruff wrote:I'd take the chance on Cook with a man-mark/one-on-one.... Thank you.
Other 2 centre backs pushing up to pick up our AM's, then we can have a sprint to get to the ball played inside, or we're running at them with the ball
Make the opposition think. If everybody is playing 532 or 442, make them adapt to cover something different.... Start with Plan C, and move back to Plan A & B if you're struggling.
(and that's more plans than I've noticed at t'Mill in the past 10 years)



Start with plan C? Isn't that just plan A.?

What about their defensive midfielders and wingbacks. If they play a back 4 we've got 3 attackers on 4 defenders and relying on Cook to win his headers. It's very one dimensional. If its such an infallible tactic why doesn't everyone use it? Keep Cook quiet then you've won the game. Or are you expecting McLaughlin and Reid getting crosses in? In which case Cook has the keeper to contend with who could easily beat him in the air and maybe 1 other if the opposite attacking midfielder joined him.

There's pros and cons to everyone's tactics.

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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 pm

pemill wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.


Gordon or O'Keefe, neither can defend.

Gordon's efforts at defending last season were woeful
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Spiritater » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:46 am

gazza1988 wrote:
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gazza1988 wrote:He can't swap the entire 11, according to the rules, can he?


Thats just the cup competition that were not in.


I wasn't sure. I knew it was the rule in the cup but couldn't remember if there was similar wording for league games, to prevent teams putting out severely weakened teams against certain opponents.

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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby S7AGS » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:04 am

Parkinsons Perm wrote:
pemill wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.


Gordon or O'Keefe, neither can defend.


Gordon's efforts at defending last season were woeful


If Gordon can’t defend why isn’t the club looking to ‘convert’ him to being an out an out winger or whatever...I believe he was a winger at Derby so why have we pigeonholed him? He seems to have pace and running power and from memory (not seen much of him) I have always thought he looks good when we are attacking better physicality than our current wide options? Or am I missing something about him?
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:16 am

S7AGS wrote:
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pemill wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.


Gordon or O'Keefe, neither can defend.


Gordon's efforts at defending last season were woeful


If Gordon can’t defend why isn’t the club looking to ‘convert’ him to being an out an out winger or whatever...I believe he was a winger at Derby so why have we pigeonholed him? He seems to have pace and running power and from memory (not seen much of him) I have always thought he looks good when we are attacking better physicality than our current wide options? Or am I missing something about him?


I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

He was "converted" wasn't he, from a wide man to a wing back.
Got caught out many times defensively and when he broke forward his crossing was pee poor

Are you saying GC should "convert" him back to a winger when it's obvious to blind Pugh he doesn't want or play with wingers???
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby adamstag » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:37 am

Maybe if the players just all stand on the goal line maybe Morecambe might not have their shooting boots on and we can hold on for a 0-0
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby S7AGS » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 am

Why persist with him playing wing back when he’s clearly never going to cut it in that position? If he’s been schooled by a championship club as a winger then either get rid as he doesn’t fit your formation or accommodate him but play to his strengths.

I can’t really comment on his crossing ability but that can be coached (albeit we haven’t been able to cross for years!). I still think he’s decent as an attacking player
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby pemill » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:47 pm

Parkinsons Perm wrote:
pemill wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.


Gordon or O'Keefe, neither can defend.

Gordon's efforts at defending last season were woeful


Everyone's efforts were woeful last season, in all fairness I'd forget about Clarke, I'll revise my team selection to have James Clarke in at RB
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby wardy12345 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:57 pm

I’d go with

Stone
Clarke, sweeny, benning
Gordon, charlsley, lapslie, mclaughlin
Reid, cook, Maynard
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:15 pm

pemill wrote:
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pemill wrote:
georgefostersbeard wrote:What is the thinking behind Gordon for O'Keefe?
I do get that he has become less effective /confident but not convinced Gordon is the answer. I would keep O'Keefe if it was a back four


I was very undecided between O'Keefe and Gordan but thought a change is a s good as a rest, I plumped for Gordon as I thought he's probably edges it as an out & out right back. I did consider Gordon and O'Keefe pushing on but Charsley seems effective down that side.


Gordon or O'Keefe, neither can defend.

Gordon's efforts at defending last season were woeful


Everyone's efforts were woeful last season, in all fairness I'd forget about Clarke, I'll revise my team selection to have James Clarke in at RB


Problem is things sailed over his head due to poor positioning, the Shiite we've got is why we are in this position
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby Captain Cunno » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:18 pm

We have the most stubborn manager since Cox on board.
Neither were willing to change their formation or style of play...
We know what happened to Cox in the end ...

The same will happen to GC.
These are my opinions , if you don't like them I have others...
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:22 pm

Win or bust for GC surely. Maybe it's a bust anyway and the board are sounding out a new manager
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby adamstag » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:29 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:We have the most stubborn manager since Cox on board.
Neither were willing to change their formation or style of play...
We know what happened to Cox in the end ...

The same will happen to GC.

Very much so.

It depends if he starts with the cone upfront, when clearly you should be starting with cook and Maynard
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby geoffhill » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:31 pm

Cook and Maynard are a must to start.Gordon is not a wing back.Could be ok as a right wingerI would like to see Sinclair given a start as both Clark and Lapslie not available. No easy games now just hope we can have an improvement on Saturday as we were as bad as I have seen.
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby garlic » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:36 pm

geoffhill wrote:Cook and Maynard are a must to start.Gordon is not a wing back.Could be ok as a right wingerI would like to see Sinclair given a start as both Clark and Lapslie not available. No easy games now just hope we can have an improvement on Saturday as we were as bad as I have seen.

Just a suggestion, how do you think Sinclair and Maynard would link up as they both appear to be very intelligent players?
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Re: So on to Morecambe

Postby HU7stag » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:58 pm

This be a make or break. I think we'll come home with 3 points... Morecambe 1 Stags 3

And therefore hopefully be the turning point in the season we desperately need.

If we don't win then I think it will be bye, bye Graham.

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