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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Big yella » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm

tillydog123 wrote:4 games left for GC

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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Rob » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:43 pm

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Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.

Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.


That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.

Factually that is difficult to argue with


Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?

Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?

Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.

He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so


We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?

This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby MTFCMusings » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:49 pm

This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Showaddywaddy » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:02 pm

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bellwhiff wrote:No to Clough. What’s he done since he brought Burton up ?

Well other than take Burton into the Championship, and keep them there for a second season, which we've never done, nothing.


Ok, but other than take Burton to the Championship and keep them there, what has Clough ever done for us?

Irrigation? The aquaducts?
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Blackburn Stag » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:05 pm

Thought it was completely wrong to sack him in the 1st place and hindsight not making me feel any different. Would love Flitcroft back.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby adamstag » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:05 pm

Rob wrote:
adamstag wrote:
yorkstag wrote:
Rob wrote:
Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.

Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.


That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.

Factually that is difficult to argue with


Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?

Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?

Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.

He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so


We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?

This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.


No, I don’t buy it.

There’s no reference in there to his lack of ability of creating a plan b to his tactics. He was found out and didn’t have a plan and at the time the decision was correct to get rid of him.

The choice on who got took on afterwards is a different matter.

You reference us playing newport, we shouldn’t been playing newport in the playoffs in the first place, it was all part of the choke.

The argument has been done to death and here we are once month.

He and his players did choke, it’s not drivel, it’s fact.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Sweden Stag » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:10 pm

Rob wrote:
adamstag wrote:
yorkstag wrote:
Rob wrote:
Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.

Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.


That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.

Factually that is difficult to argue with


Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?

Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?

Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.

He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so


We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?

This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.


Anyone who watched that particular game all know that the penalty awarded against Conrad Logan late on was wrongly awarded. That refereeing performance was also easily by loads of Swedish miles (one Swedish mile=10 kilometres) the far worst in any Stags game I have been able to watch over the years, either live or on telly. That performance warranted Stagsnet rating 4 to me, but was very close to a 0 rating. Enough said.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby DogsDoDahs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:44 am

Rob wrote:
adamstag wrote:
yorkstag wrote:
Rob wrote:
Stags 2002 wrote:Sacking Flitcroft was not the wrong decision, this dreadful form started whilst he was in charge.

Feb 9th 2019 Newport away since then the form has been a disaster for all concerned with this football club.


That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.

Factually that is difficult to argue with


Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?

Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?

Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.

He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so


We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?

This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.


The DF lovers go on and on about his style of football and he just lost a few games.
It was not always the players fault we did not get enough points to win promotion, it was the DFs live match decisions that cost us dozens of points. Early in the season in October 2018 his decision making was negative and expensive and cost us dearly. Anybody supporting stags at the Bury away game that finished 2-2 will remember his tactics. To remind those with a tainted memory stags were winning 1-2 with seven minutes of normal time to play. DF takes off Danny rose having earlier took off Tyler walker leaving us with no strikers on the pitch AT ALL and playing an 11 man defense. Not surprisingly we lost the three points to a late Maynard equaliser that a two year old child could see coming. We were not playing good fluid football and it was not a pleasure to watch. I know i was there and witnessed the fans reaction leaving the ground. We were 11 games into the season and fans were not happy with DF and his crap tactics. Nothing changes really does it. Its MTFC and league two get used to it and forget DF for good.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Amber Andy » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:14 am

MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.

However, the signs of relegation are there plainly for everyone to see. Where is a win coming from ? (No wins so far this season in all competitions). A team with no confidence. A team that can't defend. A team that can't finish chances. A team that is overrun in midfield. And a team that cannot be strengthened until January.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby DogsDoDahs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:33 am

Its the manager and his crap tactics that are the problem again. We have a good strong base of players playing the wrong tactics and formation which is causing the lack of form and little confidence, Change the mindset of the three at the back which even to a blind man is not working and go to a 442 or 433 for home games and we will start to win games. Football is not a complicated game if you mark your players do your job and give 100% you will pick up points and gain confidence. Stick to a failed plan and you are planning to fail. Change it GC or you are gone with four more games nailed on and DF wont be coming in not even in your wet dreams rob
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby DogsDoDahs » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:02 am

Blackburn Stag wrote:Thought it was completely wrong to sack him in the 1st place and hindsight not making me feel any different. Would love Flitcroft back.


Coming from DF country its not surprising that you have a brown streak all the way down your nose is it or should I say innit. There is no way that loser should be associated with our football club again you moron. We may not have the right manager here at this moment in time but Flooooking DF is not it either
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby yorkshire stag » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:07 am

Flip Flop is absolutely not the answer, first things first

GC needs to be removed TODAY
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby daddycool » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:03 am

We need a manager to keep us up not take us up . Here’s hoping there are two teams worse than us .
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby victor A block » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:55 am

MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.


You're assuming we have 40 games left. I don't think that can be taken for granted in the current climate . We can't aford to be playing catch up to survive when no one knows where the finish line is .
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby steiner » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:11 am

Wouldn't mind Cloughie here.. His Forest connection would mean first pick of quality loanees.. Prob take him this season and next to get his side assembled tho.. Doubt some on here would have the patience for that.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby gazza1988 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:16 am

DogsDoDahs wrote:
Rob wrote:
adamstag wrote:
yorkstag wrote:
Rob wrote:
That's just not true, after the Newport game we beat FGR, Cambridge, thrashed Exeter 4-1 away and put 4 past Cheltenham and Morecambe. Yes we had some tough games and lost the automatic spot on the final day, but our downfall definitely began with his sacking and subsequent dismantling of his squad.

Factually that is difficult to argue with


Where were mansfield on feb 9th and how many points clear where they?

Where were they at the end of the season when it mattered?

Again, had flitcroft and his side not choked on such a spectacular manner maybe we wouldn’t be here, ultimately him choking cost us an obvious promotion and couldn’t be trusted.

He had half a season to formulate a plan B and couldn’t do so


We're now 23rd Adam and you are complaining about dropping to 4th. That season was the highest we have finished since 2002. The football we played was more often than not a joy to watch, the players (apart from the useless Diamond and Anderson) were happy and the Mill was buzzing on match day. Yes we lost 2 or 3 crucial games towards the end of the season but seriously do you really think we are in a better place now?

This raspberrys about choking is just drivel, we just lost a few games at the wrong time. In the play offs we all know Newport should have had a player sent off early on and things may have been different. As it was we should have given DF at least until.Christmas to put a few small things right. We didn't, this has directly led to 2 x relegation battles.


The DF lovers go on and on about his style of football and he just lost a few games.
It was not always the players fault we did not get enough points to win promotion, it was the DFs live match decisions that cost us dozens of points. Early in the season in October 2018 his decision making was negative and expensive and cost us dearly. Anybody supporting stags at the Bury away game that finished 2-2 will remember his tactics. To remind those with a tainted memory stags were winning 1-2 with seven minutes of normal time to play. DF takes off Danny rose having earlier took off Tyler walker leaving us with no strikers on the pitch AT ALL and playing an 11 man defense. Not surprisingly we lost the three points to a late Maynard equaliser that a two year old child could see coming. We were not playing good fluid football and it was not a pleasure to watch. I know i was there and witnessed the fans reaction leaving the ground. We were 11 games into the season and fans were not happy with DF and his crap tactics. Nothing changes really does it. Its MTFC and league two get used to it and forget DF for good.


OK that's one game. Did he do it again or did he learn from it? Besides that game, if I remember correctly, we had a clear penalty denied in the 97th minute. Also in that game I believe walker was not having a good game.

I'm sure butcher and Hamilton played up front. Hamilton did OK and butcher had 10-15 minutes. That game the ref also added something stupid like 7 or 8 minutes on the end, which gave Bury a lift.

It's all a bit meaningless now but we beat Bury at home that season, beat a team in the automatics at home and drew away. An people are still complaining about that. A mark of a good side is one that still picks up points in most of the games they don't play well in. We did that, whether you want to admit it or not. Teams have off days, that also happens.

It was incorrect to sack him when we did. It would have been correct to sack him the following season if we didn't get promoted. Because it would have been all his own team with no players taking up a wage and not playing from the previous year. Failure again would have seen no improvement, whereas a playoff place was a huge improvement on most of the previous 20+ years. That's why it was wrong to sack him when we did. there's no worshipping the ground he walks on, as many like to claim, just signs of improvement and another shot was warranted in my opinion and I stand by that opinion still. Until someone gains a better league position Flitcroft will be the best 4th tier manager we've had since Dearden/Watkiss (because between them they got 3rd).
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby MTFCMusings » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:04 pm

victor A block wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.


You're assuming we have 40 games left. I don't think that can be taken for granted in the current climate . We can't aford to be playing catch up to survive when no one knows where the finish line is .


The PPG method won’t be applied unless the a big majority of games have been played.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
victor A block wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.


You're assuming we have 40 games left. I don't think that can be taken for granted in the current climate . We can't aford to be playing catch up to survive when no one knows where the finish line is .


The PPG method won’t be applied unless the a big majority of games have been played.

Correct. About three quarters.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Old amber » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 pm

I know this DF topic keeps going on but it just shows how popular he was or not in some cases.but whichever side you are on.we played our best football for some years,the club was buzzing & it was a treat to go to the games.. the gates where on the rise.. there was a sense of ambition at the club & at last and a manager who bought into the club in his passion
So no matter how he failed,for me he gave me a lot of joy for a change be only for a short time.
Would I have him back.. simply No .. because it never works like that again do I wish he had have stayed yes.
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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Grendon Stag » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:04 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:Clough or Clarke, gotta be.

We won't get Flitcroft because it would mean JR having to publicly accept he was wrong and probably having to choose between Flitcroft and Hymas.

It was common knowledge Hymas and Flitcroft didn't get on and Hymas had agendas against Flitcroft.

I think Hymas is a terrible ambassador for the club and can't see what he brings to the table but, but JR will never put himself in a position where he has to choose between the two.


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Re: Get Flicker in

Postby Grendon Stag » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:14 pm

Amber Andy wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:This is in no way related to whether the manager should stay or go, is or isn’t good enough, or whatever, but you can’t talk about relegation battles after 6 games. It’s madness.

However, the signs of relegation are there plainly for everyone to see. Where is a win coming from ? (No wins so far this season in all competitions). A team with no confidence. A team that can't defend. A team that can't finish chances. A team that is overrun in midfield. And a team that cannot be strengthened until January.


The squad doesn't need strengthening its more than capable of winning football matches at this level. However I wish I had the same confidence in the manager setting them up in a formation that suits their strengths.
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