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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby arsene wengers coat » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:16 pm

'FA against Project Big Picture, PL clubs 'lukewarm''

http://www.skysports.com/share/12102468
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Sedgwick » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pm

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wardy12345 wrote:Don’t think this is a good idea the 250mil is a lone that will have to be paid back and two clubs have to loose their professional status and six clubs basically control the whole of football.

Why don’t these big six leave the English football leagues and just play in Europe.


in my opinion that's not all that far away.


It gets discussed every year amongst the top clubs... top 5 teams from England, Spain, France and Italy would be quite interesting tbh.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby NorthLondonStag » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:12 pm

I go to Arsenal, when I’m not at the Stags. The quality of the football is brilliant but it’s artificial and not that exciting (for me). Much rather go to a League 2 game.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby I am Spartacus » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:59 pm

The owners of the clubs that will be part of the ‘cabal of nine’ that will have the voting rights for the Premier League and ultimately ourselves following Project Big Picture, are as folllows:
Liverpool (US Owned)
Man Utd (US Owned)
Arsenal (US Owned)
Spurs (Bahamas)
Chelsea (Russian)
Everton (Monaco)
Man City (Abu Dhabi)
Southampton (China)
West Ham (English Porn Barons)

I doubt any of the above will have the likes of us, Bradford, Worksop Town etc in their thoughts as they shape football? Surprisingly Leicester, whom won the Premier League title in 2016 aren’t included. Unsurprisingly Man Utd and Liverpool started discussion on this the year after Leicester won the league and broke the monopoly at the top of the Premier. Project Big Fear or Project Protectionism.

Why Everton, West Ham and Southampton? None of them have pulled up any trees between them in the Premier League, even Villa have been in the Premier League longer.

By removing the league cup and charity shield it frees up time in the calendar for additional European games and lucrative pre-season friendlies. Removing the league cup from the fixtures means that a ‘non-big club’ loses the chance of entering European competitions the following season and as for removing the Charity Shield it is well, just despicable.

Rick Parry, as soon as this has been thrown out, must, if he has any honour which I seriously doubt, fall on his sword (preferably not metaphorically).
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:28 pm

"Major blow for the EFL as chief executive David Baldwin quits after only six months in post. Understood to be partly connected to frustrations over Covid crisis + not due to Operation Best Picture furore."

from Martyn Ziegler in The Times
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby garlic » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:53 pm

Has there there been any political response to this , to use Mr. Bellwhiff`s phrase, landgrab?
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Big yella » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:09 pm

I am Spartacus wrote:The owners of the clubs that will be part of the ‘cabal of nine’ that will have the voting rights for the Premier League and ultimately ourselves following Project Big Picture, are as folllows:
Liverpool (US Owned)
Man Utd (US Owned)
Arsenal (US Owned)
Spurs (Bahamas)
Chelsea (Russian)
Everton (Monaco)
Man City (Abu Dhabi)
Southampton (China)
West Ham (English Porn Barons)

I doubt any of the above will have the likes of us, Bradford, Worksop Town etc in their thoughts as they shape football? Surprisingly Leicester, whom won the Premier League title in 2016 aren’t included. Unsurprisingly Man Utd and Liverpool started discussion on this the year after Leicester won the league and broke the monopoly at the top of the Premier. Project Big Fear or Project Protectionism.

Why Everton, West Ham and Southampton? None of them have pulled up any trees between them in the Premier League, even Villa have been in the Premier League longer.

By removing the league cup and charity shield it frees up time in the calendar for additional European games and lucrative pre-season friendlies. Removing the league cup from the fixtures means that a ‘non-big club’ loses the chance of entering European competitions the following season and as for removing the Charity Shield it is well, just despicable.

Rick Parry, as soon as this has been thrown out, must, if he has any honour which I seriously doubt, fall on his sword (preferably not metaphorically).

Everton have always been in the Premier League and Villa have only been back in it for one full season.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:23 pm

Johnson answered a question from the Newport MP today to say he would make sure the Premier League would stick to their obligations to provide financial support to lower division clubs

.......so that's never going to happen :lol:
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:29 pm

"Four points clear as Lincoln are McCaffreyised", CHAD headline, April 1975
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:30 pm

garlic wrote:Has there there been any political response to this , to use Mr. Bellwhiff`s phrase, landgrab?

yes, from Oliver Dowden - see the Times in the tweet above. He's scathing of it and tells them to focus on a rescue package for EFL instead.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:42 pm

Another big story there is the £375 million offer from an American investment company for a 20% stake in the Football League in exchange for them putting in a management team to exploit commercial and broadcasting rights. The mind boggles at what changes they would want to make.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Spiritater » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:29 am

Guaranteed to rebrand the EFL to the ESL then. :lol:
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:33 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

The big mouthed Orient chairman thinks it's a great idea, obviously not a visionary and only thinking short term.
Doesn't he realise once they get what they want the cake will reduce to crumbs in a few years?
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Richard Cranium » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:39 am

Wait till they say we'll only get the money if we allow B teams etc. Its a crap idea, why don't they piss off and start a European super league
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:44 am

Ian Holloway gives them both barrels.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... g-22833820?
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:45 am

“I think clubs would rather go under than accept B-teams,” Cambridge United Chief Executive, Ian Mather says. “I’ve talked it over with our majority owner [Paul Barry]. We will not support B-teams. It would kill League One and League Two.”
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby cassellswasmagic » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:51 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Ian Holloway gives them both barrels.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... g-22833820?

I listened to him and before that too. He speaks passionately about lower league football. I can’t help but like the guy.
Football, how we know it in this country is slowly dying. It’s a matter of when and not if, the bigger teams leave for a European league, and I say raspberry off to them. The only trouble is, the big money for the English leagues comes as a result of those teams. Also a note; Aston Villa are a bigger club than Man City, and yet aren’t in the 9!!! The mind boggles.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:55 am

Nicola Palios (Tranmere Rovers) on American investment in EFL: "I’m very sceptical of PE involvement in football but would have welcomed an opportunity to see what was being proposed."
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby cassellswasmagic » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:58 am

Just had a pop on the Liverpool forum. A lot of their fans see it as the death of football too. They also rightly see the £100M pay to the F.A as what it is, A BRIBE!!!. It’s probably all irrelevant anyway because it wouldn’t have a majority voting for it.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Rob » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:36 am

Parkinsons Perm wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

The big mouthed Orient chairman thinks it's a great idea, obviously not a visionary and only thinking short term.
Doesn't he realise once they get what they want the cake will reduce to crumbs in a few years?


So does Dale Vince, listened to him.on Talksport yesterday. From an EFL perspective there are some decent proposals, certainly seems a fairer distribution of TV revenue. However, the B teams is a non-starter, it will totally kill lower league football and I think it more likely the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd join a super league than the FA allows B teams. They and their greed won't be missed by many, though the southern armchair brigade might write a harshly worded email.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Dan » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:47 am

cassellswasmagic wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Ian Holloway gives them both barrels.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... g-22833820?

I listened to him and before that too. He speaks passionately about lower league football. I can’t help but like the guy.
Football, how we know it in this country is slowly dying. It’s a matter of when and not if, the bigger teams leave for a European league, and I say raspberry off to them. The only trouble is, the big money for the English leagues comes as a result of those teams. Also a note; Aston Villa are a bigger club than Man City, and yet aren’t in the 9!!! The mind boggles.


:shock:
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Amber Andy » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:17 am

Parkinsons Perm wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54516180

The big mouthed Orient chairman thinks it's a great idea, obviously not a visionary and only thinking short term.
Doesn't he realise once they get what they want the cake will reduce to crumbs in a few years?

And the Peterborogh chairman is in favour of it too.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Amber Andy » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:19 am

cassellswasmagic wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Ian Holloway gives them both barrels.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... g-22833820?

I listened to him and before that too. He speaks passionately about lower league football. I can’t help but like the guy.
Football, how we know it in this country is slowly dying. It’s a matter of when and not if, the bigger teams leave for a European league, and I say raspberry off to them. The only trouble is, the big money for the English leagues comes as a result of those teams. Also a note; Aston Villa are a bigger club than Man City, and yet aren’t in the 9!!! The mind boggles.

Would've have been a great manager for us and filled the role of Sharpe.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby I am Spartacus » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:37 am

After today’s meeting at the EFL it would be great for the club to issue a statement as to what Mansfield Town’s position on it is?

Hopefully the polar opposite to Forest Green and Leyton Orient.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:44 am

In the short term this is the answer to an owners prayers and will provide much needed financial assistance during desperate times.

I can see quite a few clubs wanting to sign up believing they can survive the fallout further down the road. I think it will be a close call as far as lower leagues are concerned and hope the premier league rebel.
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