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'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:20 pm

from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... g-picture/

World exclusive: Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation
18-team Premier League, increased EFL funding and axing of League Cup among raft of proposals in 'Revitalisation' document seen by Telegraph

By Sam Wallace, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER 11 October 2020

Manchester United and Liverpool are the driving force behind the biggest changes to English football in a generation and an extraordinary overhaul of the Premier League, The Telegraph can reveal.

The two clubs have worked together on a radical set of proposals – called “Project Big Picture” - that will reshape the finances of the game. The Premier League, the most lucrative sports league in the world, would see a reduction to 18 teams, and controlling power in the hands of the biggest clubs.

In return for tearing up many of the rules that have governed the game since the Premier League’s inception in 1992 there will be a £250 million rescue package to the Football League to see them through the Covid crisis.

The Telegraph can reveal the details of the working document “Revitalisation” authored by Liverpool’s American ownership Fenway Sports Group with support from United. It anticipates the backing of the other members of the so-called big six, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur.

In a remarkable set of proposals, which will send shockwaves through the game, 25 per cent of the Premier League’s annual revenue will go to the EFL clubs with £250 million paid up front to see them through the current crisis. There would also be a gift of £100 million to sustain the Football Association.

However, there would be an abolition of the one-club, one-vote principle that has sustained the Premier League since its inception as well as the abolition of the threshold of 14 votes to pass any decision or regulation change.

Under the new proposals, the League Cup and the Community Shield would be abolished. There have been additional discussions that the League Cup would survive but without the participation of the clubs in Europe.

There would be two automatic promotion places for Championship clubs, but the third, fourth and fifth placed clubs would be in a play-off tournament with the 16th placed Premier League club.

The nine clubs who have been in the Premier League for the longest - which includes the big six - would dictate its running in every aspect and would be free to play more games in the expanded Champions League that is anticipated from the 2024-2025 season onwards.

As well as the Premier League dropping from 20 clubs to 18, there would be 24 in each of the Championship, League One and League Two making a total of 90.

The plan is supported by the EFL chairman Rick Parry who has held talks with Liverpool’s principal owner, the American investor John W Henry, and shareholder and director Mike Gordon. In addition, Parry has spoken to the Glazer family, who own United.

The talks began in 2017 but have been accelerated since the coronavirus pandemic has thrust football into the grip of crisis with no fans in stadiums until March at the earliest. Liverpool and United are prepared for a fierce debate over their proposals but they want them implemented as soon as possible and to take effect for the 2022-23 season.

The Revitalisation document calls for immediate action to cut dramatically what it calls the “revenue chasm” in earnings from television contracts between the Premier League and the EFL. In order to discourage Championship clubs from gambling recklessly on promotion, the parachute payments system would be abolished in favour of the 25 per cent share of Premier League revenue being shared more equitably among EFL clubs.

Under proposals for the new model of distribution of television revenue in the Premier League, Fenway, the driving force behind the document, insist there would be no greater share for the top six. Their stated aim is to eliminate the huge gap in earnings between Premier League and EFL clubs while in return having a greater control of the decisions made by the Premier League.

The document says: “A reset of the economics and governance of the English football pyramid is long overdue”.

The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Parry said that he had the support of many of his 72 members, many currently facing financial ruin, to go ahead with the plan. He said: “What do we do? Leave it exactly as it is and allow the smaller clubs to wither? Or do we do something about it? And you can’t do something about it without something changing. And the view of our clubs is if the [big] six get some benefits but the 72 also do, we are up for it.”

He accepted there would be opposition from the Premier League clubs outside the big six who would see it as detrimental to their financial prospects with less money and two fewer places in the top flight.

“It is definitely going to be challenging and it is an enormous change so that won’t be without some pain,” Parry said: “Do I genuinely think it’s for the greater good of the game as a whole? Absolutely. And if the [big] six are deriving some benefit then why shouldn’t they. Why wouldn’t they put their names to this otherwise?”

The proposals include:

£250 million immediately to the EFL to compensate its clubs for lost matchday revenue, deducted from future television revenue earnings and financed by a loan taken out by the Premier League
Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership
Premier League to go to 18 clubs from 20
£100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots
8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA
From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs
Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league
The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield
24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90
A women's professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA
Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams.
Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts
A fan charter including capping of away tickets at £20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity
Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament
Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:25 pm



In the Premier League's view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published today could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support.

The Premier League has been working in good faith with its clubs and the EFL to seek a resolution to the requirement for COVID-19 rescue funding. This work will continue.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:26 pm

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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby arsene wengers coat » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Been reading about this all day.

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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Conker » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:50 pm

I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:58 pm

Are you on here Deaf??? Have you been listening to me. They (the horrible swines in the Premier League) don’t care about the likes of Mansfield Town. Which is my club, your club, our club and not collateral damage in a money and power grab.

What have you been doing for the last 28 yrs? This Premier League have been ruining for the last 28 yrs. Man Utd and Liverpool along with the odious quisling Rick Parry have been conspiring since 2017 on this and are using the Covid economic crisis as a n excuse to push it through. Now is the time to stand up and fight against it.

Write to our elected member, the DCMS, JR, Dave Sharpe, Boris, Kier Starmer (if he can get off his knee long enough), whoever the shadow secretary for DCMS is, the FA and the EFL tho has to be stopped.

Blithely watching a Sky Sports game whilst your subscription is being used to pay the millions of pounds that the Man Utd and Liverpool Chief Executives get for cooking up plans to screw us over won’t save football for the next generation.

If Man Utd and Liverpool want a reduction in two teams in the Premier League why don’t they just fork off as many won’t miss them. How can they turn against the basic principle of equality of sport and one man one vote ie an equal chance.

Act now, or, as I said about four weeks ago, the death of football will be televised.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:00 pm

Conker wrote:I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.


A win? How once this is through the big six can change the rules to suit themselves and remove funding for the EFL?

And how is it a win for the side, finishing fourth in the championship to face a side in a playoff game that has approximately £150 million worth of head start?
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Conker » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:08 pm

I am Spartacus wrote:
Conker wrote:I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.


A win? How once this is through the big six can change the rules to suit themselves and remove funding for the EFL?

And how is it a win for the side, finishing fourth in the championship to face a side in a playoff game that has approximately £150 million worth of head start?


I’m on about Mansfield purely, financially we would be better off under those terms.

I understand the big six will be unfairly dominant in a voting position, but what I said isn’t wrong and everything else you responded to me was stuff I never suggested in the first place. Calm down, I didn’t touch on anything else.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:15 pm

Conker wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:
Conker wrote:I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.


A win? How once this is through the big six can change the rules to suit themselves and remove funding for the EFL?

And how is it a win for the side, finishing fourth in the championship to face a side in a playoff game that has approximately £150 million worth of head start?


I’m on about Mansfield purely, financially we would be better off under those terms.

I understand the big six will be unfairly dominant in a voting position, but what I said isn’t wrong and everything else you responded to me was stuff I never suggested in the first place. Calm down, I didn’t touch on anything else.


Apologies Conker. But financially it would be a short term bribe, until such time the top six or nine could manipulate things to their own ends.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Conker » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:17 pm

I am Spartacus wrote:
Conker wrote:
I am Spartacus wrote:
Conker wrote:I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.


A win? How once this is through the big six can change the rules to suit themselves and remove funding for the EFL?

And how is it a win for the side, finishing fourth in the championship to face a side in a playoff game that has approximately £150 million worth of head start?


I’m on about Mansfield purely, financially we would be better off under those terms.

I understand the big six will be unfairly dominant in a voting position, but what I said isn’t wrong and everything else you responded to me was stuff I never suggested in the first place. Calm down, I didn’t touch on anything else.


Apologies Conker. But financially it would be a short term bribe, until such time the top six or nine could manipulate things to their own ends.


No apologies needed, I understand the passion with the subject.

I’m abject about it all personally, because this might be our only way to receive financial help.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby oldweststander » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:21 pm

Conker wrote:I mean it’s definitely going to have damaging impacts, but financially for clubs like Mansfield it’s a win.

My head is spinner deciding if I’m for or against it all considered.



The Premier League are only interested in themselves, unlikely to happen.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby garlic » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:22 pm

With you on this one ` I am Spartacus `. The EFL money is just a sweetener to deflect from the real purpose which is for the big six to control the whole structure of the game and so allow them to dictate how everything functions in their own interests. Very serious stuff, and the EFL will roll over and let it`s stomach be scratched before they rip it, and the likes of us, apart.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby wardy12345 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:54 pm

Don’t think this is a good idea the 250mil is a lone that will have to be paid back and two clubs have to loose their professional status and six clubs basically control the whole of football.

Why don’t these big six leave the English football leagues and just play in Europe.
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Postby Spiritater » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:36 pm

wardy12345 wrote:Don’t think this is a good idea the 250mil is a lone that will have to be paid back and two clubs have to loose their professional status and six clubs basically control the whole of football.

Why don’t these big six leave the English football leagues and just play in Europe.


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Postby I am Spartacus » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:45 pm

In the proposals, each Premier League club would be able to loan 15 players out each season with a maximum of four to one club.

That is 270 players, probably bought as a ‘child slaves’ at the age of 16 from an overseas club, which will limit the development of players in EFL academies just to provide game time for Premier League players development. Don’t forget as part of the initial 250 million pounds on offer the Premier League want the EFL to back them against the government so they can sign children under 18 from abroad for their academies. (How, as the Premier League was set up to aid the England side, it achieves this I do not know).

Also they want a later start to the season to allow for additional money spinning friendlies and the calendar time to play a mid-season summer tournament once every five years.

This is the brain child of Rick Parry, ex-chief executive of Liverpool, a bit like asking Jimmy Saville coming up with a document on under 18’s working in the entertainment industry.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby arsene wengers coat » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:51 pm

garlic wrote:With you on this one ` I am Spartacus `. The EFL money is just a sweetener to deflect from the real purpose which is for the big six to control the whole structure of the game and so allow them to dictate how everything functions in their own interests. Very serious stuff, and the EFL will roll over and let it`s stomach be scratched before they rip it, and the likes of us, apart.


Of course it's a sweetener. It's leverage.

It's strategy that benefits them. See some clubs fold, or let the big 2 dictate the future of football for a measly sum of 100m +250m.

This is also another step closer to a European super League money spinner.

This might result in two governing bodies, like in darts. The fancy moneybags league, and the real people league.

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Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:25 pm

What will they do about relegation/promotion between league 2 and the conference?.

If they leave it at two up two down, any team dropping down would find it very difficult to get back, even more so than now. With two additional league clubs from the off, the conference should be a very strong league and the financial incentive to succeed should increase. Does the abandonment of parachute payments extend throughout the leagues?. If so clubs could easily go out of business once in non league with smaller crowds to support them and less revenue.

And the old chestnut of under 23 teams entering the league would no doubt be a reality within 5 years.

There is only one way to stop this and that is to cancel your sky sports/BT subscriptions whilst making sure you tell them why. While ever we keep buying this poisoned product, they will do what they like.
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Postby Hjeldefan » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:24 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:What will they do about relegation/promotion between league 2 and the conference?.

If they leave it at two up two down, any team dropping down would find it very difficult to get back, even more so than now. With two additional league clubs from the off, the conference should be a very strong league and the financial incentive to succeed should increase. Does the abandonment of parachute payments extend throughout the leagues?. If so clubs could easily go out of business once in non league with smaller crowds to support them and less revenue.

And the old chestnut of under 23 teams entering the league would no doubt be a reality within 5 years.

There is only one way to stop this and that is to cancel your sky sports/BT subscriptions whilst making sure you tell them why. While ever we keep buying this poisoned product, they will do what they like.

Cancel subscriptions, and do not buy an EFL trophy game in ifollow. The intro of U23s to that competition was a tester and an attempt to normalise. seeing such games take place.
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Postby Norman » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:45 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... g-picture/

World exclusive: Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation
18-team Premier League, increased EFL funding and axing of League Cup among raft of proposals in 'Revitalisation' document seen by Telegraph

By Sam Wallace, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER 11 October 2020

Manchester United and Liverpool are the driving force behind the biggest changes to English football in a generation and an extraordinary overhaul of the Premier League, The Telegraph can reveal.

The two clubs have worked together on a radical set of proposals – called “Project Big Picture” - that will reshape the finances of the game. The Premier League, the most lucrative sports league in the world, would see a reduction to 18 teams, and controlling power in the hands of the biggest clubs.

In return for tearing up many of the rules that have governed the game since the Premier League’s inception in 1992 there will be a £250 million rescue package to the Football League to see them through the Covid crisis.

The Telegraph can reveal the details of the working document “Revitalisation” authored by Liverpool’s American ownership Fenway Sports Group with support from United. It anticipates the backing of the other members of the so-called big six, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur.

In a remarkable set of proposals, which will send shockwaves through the game, 25 per cent of the Premier League’s annual revenue will go to the EFL clubs with £250 million paid up front to see them through the current crisis. There would also be a gift of £100 million to sustain the Football Association.

However, there would be an abolition of the one-club, one-vote principle that has sustained the Premier League since its inception as well as the abolition of the threshold of 14 votes to pass any decision or regulation change.

Under the new proposals, the League Cup and the Community Shield would be abolished. There have been additional discussions that the League Cup would survive but without the participation of the clubs in Europe.

There would be two automatic promotion places for Championship clubs, but the third, fourth and fifth placed clubs would be in a play-off tournament with the 16th placed Premier League club.

The nine clubs who have been in the Premier League for the longest - which includes the big six - would dictate its running in every aspect and would be free to play more games in the expanded Champions League that is anticipated from the 2024-2025 season onwards.

As well as the Premier League dropping from 20 clubs to 18, there would be 24 in each of the Championship, League One and League Two making a total of 90.

The plan is supported by the EFL chairman Rick Parry who has held talks with Liverpool’s principal owner, the American investor John W Henry, and shareholder and director Mike Gordon. In addition, Parry has spoken to the Glazer family, who own United.

The talks began in 2017 but have been accelerated since the coronavirus pandemic has thrust football into the grip of crisis with no fans in stadiums until March at the earliest. Liverpool and United are prepared for a fierce debate over their proposals but they want them implemented as soon as possible and to take effect for the 2022-23 season.

The Revitalisation document calls for immediate action to cut dramatically what it calls the “revenue chasm” in earnings from television contracts between the Premier League and the EFL. In order to discourage Championship clubs from gambling recklessly on promotion, the parachute payments system would be abolished in favour of the 25 per cent share of Premier League revenue being shared more equitably among EFL clubs.

Under proposals for the new model of distribution of television revenue in the Premier League, Fenway, the driving force behind the document, insist there would be no greater share for the top six. Their stated aim is to eliminate the huge gap in earnings between Premier League and EFL clubs while in return having a greater control of the decisions made by the Premier League.

The document says: “A reset of the economics and governance of the English football pyramid is long overdue”.

The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Parry said that he had the support of many of his 72 members, many currently facing financial ruin, to go ahead with the plan. He said: “What do we do? Leave it exactly as it is and allow the smaller clubs to wither? Or do we do something about it? And you can’t do something about it without something changing. And the view of our clubs is if the [big] six get some benefits but the 72 also do, we are up for it.”

He accepted there would be opposition from the Premier League clubs outside the big six who would see it as detrimental to their financial prospects with less money and two fewer places in the top flight.

“It is definitely going to be challenging and it is an enormous change so that won’t be without some pain,” Parry said: “Do I genuinely think it’s for the greater good of the game as a whole? Absolutely. And if the [big] six are deriving some benefit then why shouldn’t they. Why wouldn’t they put their names to this otherwise?”

The proposals include:

£250 million immediately to the EFL to compensate its clubs for lost matchday revenue, deducted from future television revenue earnings and financed by a loan taken out by the Premier League
Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership
Premier League to go to 18 clubs from 20
£100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots
8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA
From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs
Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at £100 per seat
New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league
The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield
24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90
A women's professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA
Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams.
Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts
A fan charter including capping of away tickets at £20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity
Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament
Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England


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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby Rob » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:00 am

I am Spartacus wrote:Are you on here Deaf??? Have you been listening to me. They (the horrible swines in the Premier League) don’t care about the likes of Mansfield Town. Which is my club, your club, our club and not collateral damage in a money and power grab.

What have you been doing for the last 28 yrs? This Premier League have been ruining for the last 28 yrs. Man Utd and Liverpool along with the odious quisling Rick Parry have been conspiring since 2017 on this and are using the Covid economic crisis as a n excuse to push it through. Now is the time to stand up and fight against it.

Write to our elected member, the DCMS, JR, Dave Sharpe, Boris, Kier Starmer (if he can get off his knee long enough), whoever the shadow secretary for DCMS is, the FA and the EFL tho has to be stopped.

Blithely watching a Sky Sports game whilst your subscription is being used to pay the millions of pounds that the Man Utd and Liverpool Chief Executives get for cooking up plans to screw us over won’t save football for the next generation.

If Man Utd and Liverpool want a reduction in two teams in the Premier League why don’t they just fork off as many won’t miss them. How can they turn against the basic principle of equality of sport and one man one vote ie an equal chance.

Act now, or, as I said about four weeks ago, the death of football will be televised.


You blame the Premier League yet this blueprint comes from Man Utd and Liverpool, the Premier League are against it and wish to maintain the democracy in their League. Your ire should be directed at those two clubs and any that support this idiocy, not the Premier League itself. Furthermore, EFL clubs have been run on an unsustainable basis for decades paying extortionate wages to players of moderate talent. Maybe this is also the wake-up call they need, maybe a waster like Paul Anderson isn't worth 4k a week and at the other end of the scale perhaps Ozil isn't worth 350k a week! You absolutely cannot exclude EFL clubs from the financial madness of football, they are all equally culpable, its just some have more cash and therefore more clout. Man Utd and Liverpool ceased to be football clubs a very long time ago, they are plc's, businesses not proper football clubs - legends like Shankly and Busby would be ashamed of them both.
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Postby adamstag » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:28 pm

Presumably if there’s a season where the premiership cuts down to 18 teams that would leave the EFL with 74 teams the season after.

So either the EFL decides to keep the 74 or more likely retains the 72 then 4 will need to pass out of the league that season.

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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:16 pm

Ball hocks to this. The land grab is utterly shameful.

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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby steiner » Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:55 pm

Apart from the Leicester City title winning year I've hardly given the Premier league a second glance. It reeks of a elite gentleman's club where only the richest and stupid enough want to be part of it.. The obscenity of the amounts of money handed out like confetti to one premier league player in one week could have wiped Maccs debt out.. The plastic fans who sit in their armchair wearing their Man I Liverpool shirt are welcome to it.
I actually feel lucky to have the STAGS as my team.. Dodgy managers and 3 sided ground suits me fine.
Can't wait to hand my 20 quid over once a fortnight and get back to enjoying Saturday afternoon again.
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby spanishstag » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:22 pm

steiner wrote:Apart from the Leicester City title winning year I've hardly given the Premier league a second glance. It reeks of a elite gentleman's club where only the richest and stupid enough want to be part of it.. The obscenity of the amounts of money handed out like confetti to one premier league player in one week could have wiped Maccs debt out.. The plastic fans who sit in their armchair wearing their Man I Liverpool shirt are welcome to it.
I actually feel lucky to have the STAGS as my team.. Dodgy managers and 3 sided ground suits me fine.
Can't wait to hand my 20 quid over once a fortnight and get back to enjoying Saturday afternoon again.

You must be the only one on here ,after reading most of the latest posts on here :lol:
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Re: 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up ...

Postby smulls » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:50 pm

spanishstag wrote:
steiner wrote:Apart from the Leicester City title winning year I've hardly given the Premier league a second glance. It reeks of a elite gentleman's club where only the richest and stupid enough want to be part of it.. The obscenity of the amounts of money handed out like confetti to one premier league player in one week could have wiped Maccs debt out.. The plastic fans who sit in their armchair wearing their Man I Liverpool shirt are welcome to it.
I actually feel lucky to have the STAGS as my team.. Dodgy managers and 3 sided ground suits me fine.
Can't wait to hand my 20 quid over once a fortnight and get back to enjoying Saturday afternoon again.

You must be the only one on here ,after reading most of the latest posts on here :lol:


Steiner is not the only one, I absolutely support him. No matter what, love watching Stags thin and thick.
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