Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote: Dave Wayne wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1282368/coronavirus-uk-scientists-deaths-october-december-china-wuhan-pandemic-ons-data-spt
Try that for a start.
Yes I read that one. 2 scientists saying it may be a possibility and 1 saying it is highly unlikely. Not exactly conclusive.
What about the October death ?
Dave. You are the one that is insisting the virus was not present before the two Chinese nationals arrived at the end of February. If you opened your mind a little and read what others write you would realise that I say I don’t know when it arrived but it is probable the date was much earlier than late February. The two scientists in that article agree that it is possible the third says improbable not impossible. I don’t have to prove anything to you and it would be a waste of time to try as you have bigoted views that you will not change.
The reason I used that link was simply that it was the first one provided by Google. Here is a similar one from The Guardian if you care to read it. It goes into a little more depth and actually names a victim from before the case you insist was the first. It also states the virus could easily have been here in November. There are similar instances throughout Europe where scientists are questioning the arrival dates in their countries. Are all of these wrong? Do you know best?https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... e-to-light
In respect of your school ground name, in a different thread you called me a two hat so why your displeasure at my dig back? I think my name for you is much more appropriate and far less insulting, and it could have been far worse if I sunk to your level. If you don’t like it, don’t throw stones.
Just to clarify - the 2 Chinese nationals were at the end of January not February and are still the first diagnosed cases in the country.
I read what people write and there is still no proven scientific evidence that there were any cases in the UK prior to that date.
The first scientist in the first article that you linked said it was possible it was here sooner but it would require further investigation. The second said that it is possible we did have cases sooner but it is a long-shot as we weren't seeing it in hospitals during the winter and there was no rise in pneumonia admissions which he would have expected to see. Meanwhile the 3rd scientist said that if the virus was in the UK in October then with the R-rate of 3 the excess deaths would have been tripling every week through the winter which they didn't do.
There are many people, yourself and Dan included, who think they had Covid in the December/January period. If the disease was prevalent in the country at that point, with the time period that we are now aware of for people to become seriously ill and some pass away being in the 3-4 week period, why did we not see hospitalisations increasing until February and deaths increasing in March ? Was it just lucky that nobody suffered a severe case at that time ?
You also claimed in a previous post that a woman in the UK is thought to have died of Covid in October - I still haven't managed to find any record of this on the internet and would be very interested in reading about it. You say you don't have to prove anything to me and this is very true, but to accuse me of being a bigot for not believing what you claim without you providing any supporting evidence is a bit harsh. I am very open minded to facts, not hearsay.
Anyway, to get this thread back on track I have 2 questions :
1) Do you think fans should be allowed to attend matches in limited numbers with social distancing ?
2) If this is allowed, bearing in mind the figures I posted on the previous page of this thread, do you think it would be financially beneficial to clubs to do so ?