Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:gazza1988 wrote:Dan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:For me a successful dribble is on where a players has possession of the ball and gets past an opposition player and retains the ball with nobody else touching it. Whilst also going forwards towards the byline.
When CJ used to knock the ball past the full back and then run onto it, that's a dribble. When Wayno Cordinhio used to tie defenders up in knots and leave them on their backside to wither get a shot or cross in, that's a dribble. When Hayden White used to do a few step overs before knocking the ball past his opponent and get a cross in, that's a dribble. When Ollie Clarke takes 2 touches and gets through 3 players to thread a ball through, that's a dribble.
It's a failed dribble if the someone else gets a touch to it or its run out of play.
That my opinion of it anyway.
That's my whole point with these made up statistics like xG etc. They're not 'proper' stats like shots on goal, shots on target, corners, goals, yellow cards, red cards etc they're opinions. That's what does my head in and loads of other people. It's just made up mumbo jumbo brought in by young people with nothing better to do with their time to try and make the game more 'trendy'.
Look at xG. Now to me 'expected' is something that will happen in the future. Therefore xG would be what you expect the teams to score in the game that's coming up. How you would be able to tell that anyway unless you're some sort of psychic is beyond me anyway. But now Musings is saying that it's used AFTER the game too. So how can it be 'expected' when the game had finished? I saw one the other day that one team had got 2 xG and the game had finished 0-0! Surely if xG is done after the game then both teams xG's would both be 0, no? It's ridiculous. No one seems to know what they're on about, it's embarrassing.
Technically speaking aren't shots and shots on target opinion based? It's the opinion of the one compiling those stats whether it was a shot or not. Also if they are in the press box in the west stand (for games at field Mill for example) is that the best angle for the tight ones that could be just on target? What constitutes a shot? I've seen games where we've shot and the defender blocks it and it's not counted as a shot at all. For me a shot is a player striking the ball towards goal. The only concrete stats we have around these are the ones the referee indicates. Goals, free kicks, corners, yellow/red cards etc. Others like passes and saves etc can also be reliably counted.
Just to be extra facetious technically stats like fouls, goals, cards, corners etc come from the referee and so are based on the opinion of 1 person too so should they be discounted as well
Isn't expected past tense? So it does work. Something happening in the future would be expecting, surely? Just expect can be future as well. For example, "I expect a win on Saturday" "I'm expecting a win on Saturday" are both future and valid for this Saturday but if I say "I expected a win on Saturday" indicates I think we should have won the previous Saturday.
As for a game finishing 0-0 and the xG should be 0? No, that's not how it works. It's expected goal not scored goals. The 0-0 you mention with 1 side having a xG of 2 makes no sense. It kinda does. To me it says 1 of 2 things(you can use other stats to figure out which) either the defence and keeper played a blinder or the attackers had a nightmare finishing.
What you need to understand about the xG stats is its a likelihood of a goal occurring from the chance that was created. That's it. At the end of the game all these chances ratings are added up and that's how you get the total xG and why its nearly always decimal.
Don't think of xG as affecting the result, that's not it's intention. It's an attempts to tell the story of the game without having to watch it. Yes, nothing beats watching the game but it's there if you want it.
XG isn't really something you can explain in a forum post.
A small flaw in that Gaza as expected can also be used in a future tense as in ‘You will be playing on Saturday and you will be expected to perform to a high standard’. So you can use expected in the future tense if it’s expected by someone else.
You could argue this all day long and everyone will have a different view. Maybe we should just accept that there is some merit to the system but the level of merit varies with your own view of the issue.
Yeah that is true on expected. The point still stands that it's used more in past tense and not exclusively future tense which Dan insinuated. Which is what my examples were to show.