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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:41 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
nick_stags wrote:Surely tests should be done before the games, not after?

I think I read somewhere that each club's players are tested once per week. So after Saturday's game was in time for their Tuesday game.


Looks like this is no longer the case...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... id-4536077

It is believed the tests were paid for by Tottenham who are one of a number of top flight clubs worried about contracting coronavirus in cup matches against Football League opposition.

The EFL no longer makes coronavirus testing a mandatory requirement ahead of games, but clubs can do it themselves at their own discretion.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:26 pm

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Pre match interview with Ross Embleton on the Orient youtube channel, 18 Sept 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfNzZRiJNF8

"We mentioned after the game (against Plymouth on Tuesday), there was a number of people suffering with illnesses that either were in the team or out of the team or played through that on Tuesday, and that's something that's hit us quite hard. Not a Covid issue for us to worry about but it has hit the group quite hard in terms of that bug that's gone round the camp."

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Post match interview with Ross Embleton on the Orient youtube channel, 19 Sept 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvARTMdY6ag

"But credit to the boys for putting their bodies on the line, the state that some of them were in.
"It's important to let everybody know that there's no Covid symptoms.
"I had to rip that piece of paper up (with the team on) at quarter to ten (this morning) because we had so many illnesses."

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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby West Ham 1969 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:00 pm

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Random Hero wrote:Well done to our players for realising Orient had Covid-19 on Saturday, and social distancing from them for the final ten minutes of the match.


Naughty

But it made me chuckle


Too right :lol: looking at the video we didn’t get close enough to catch anything!
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby arsene wengers coat » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:07 pm

Couldn't beat them ravaged by covid.

Last 10 mins truly pathetic in that case.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:02 pm

please keep the discussion to Leyton Orient, the effect on the Stags, and on football, rather than conspiracy theories on COVID-19 in general (now removed). Thanks
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Gazmoose82 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:03 pm

Like I've said many times in other threads... This is only the start... Its happening after only 2 games.
Not a chance this season is gunna finish or even make it past xmas.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby ParisStag » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:06 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:-------------------------

Pre match interview with Ross Embleton on the Orient youtube channel, 18 Sept 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfNzZRiJNF8

"We mentioned after the game (against Plymouth on Tuesday), there was a number of people suffering with illnesses that either were in the team or out of the team or played through that on Tuesday, and that's something that's hit us quite hard. Not a Covid issue for us to worry about but it has hit the group quite hard in terms of that bug that's gone round the camp."

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Post match interview with Ross Embleton on the Orient youtube channel, 19 Sept 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvARTMdY6ag

"But credit to the boys for putting their bodies on the line, the state that some of them were in.
"It's important to let everybody know that there's no Covid symptoms.
"I had to rip that piece of paper up (with the team on) at quarter to ten (this morning) because we had so many illnesses."

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So they've had 2 bugs rip through their squad in less than a week? Could get in serious trouble if they've deliberately not isolated with symptoms.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby ParisStag » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:13 pm

Reading Orient's forum, one fan suggests 9 of their players have it and that we're launching some sort of appeal.

Another fan expressed the hope that their players haven't ignored guidelines. It seems that they will forfeit the Spurs game due to positive tests. Is that rule also for league games? If so, and they have picked the Spurs game to forfeit rather than the league game, that's really bad. Hope it isn't the case.

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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby bobbystagsfan » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:20 pm

Gazmoose82 wrote:Like I've said many times in other threads... This is only the start... Its happening after only 2 games.
Not a chance this season is gunna finish or even make it past xmas.



cant see it either, players are testing positive up and down the country. be lucky to get to November imo
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:26 pm

https://www.footballinsider247.com/excl ... win-given/

Exclusive: Tottenham told clash v Leyton Orient called off & win given

Tottenham are to be announced as the winners of their EFL Cup tie against Leyton Orient after the decision was taken to call it off, Football Insider can exclusively reveal.

The players and coaching staffs of both sides have been told to call a halt to preparations to tomorrow night’s third-round fixture at the Breyer Group Stadium after Orient stars tested positive for coronavirus.

An EFL source has told Football Insider there will soon be an announcement that the match has been abandoned and Tottenham have progressed to the competition’s fourth round.

The decision has been made by the governing body not to reschedule as there are no alternative dates to play the original fixture.

The fourth round of the EFL Cup is due to take place next week and that leaves no possible dates for the match to be played.

It is a crushing blow for Orient, who announced today that a number of senior players had tested positive for Covid-19 following their match against Mansfield on Saturday.

There is no protocol in the EFL competition regulations for this eventuality, in terms of whether the match should be forfeited or rescheduled.

EFL clubs no longer have to conduct mandatory tests on their players and staff for Covid-19 on a weekly basis, as is still the case in the Premier League.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:27 pm

ParisStag wrote:It seems that they will forfeit the Spurs game due to positive tests. Is that rule also for league games?


No. It is in this case because there is no possibility to reschedule.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:39 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:
nick_stags wrote:Surely tests should be done before the games, not after?

I think I read somewhere that each club's players are tested once per week. So after Saturday's game was in time for their Tuesday game.


Looks like this is no longer the case...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/fo ... id-4536077

It is believed the tests were paid for by Tottenham who are one of a number of top flight clubs worried about contracting coronavirus in cup matches against Football League opposition.

The EFL no longer makes coronavirus testing a mandatory requirement ahead of games, but clubs can do it themselves at their own discretion.


That’s unacceptable if true. The testing regime should apply equally across the board
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby part time pete » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:10 pm

The have been quite a number of F.A. Cup ties that have already been forfeited already this season.

Apparently it is in the F.A. rules this season that if a team do not have enough players not self isolating then they forfeit the tie.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:13 pm

part time pete wrote:The have been quite a number of F.A. Cup ties that have already been forfeited already this season.

Apparently it is in the F.A. rules this season that if a team do not have enough players not self isolating then they forfeit the tie.

there is a very tight schedule to get the early preliminary rounds of the FA Cup in, so there isn't time to reschedule.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nham-spurs

Leyton Orient players test positive for Covid-19 to put Spurs cup tie in doubt
Tuesday’s match expected to be cancelled
Mansfield, Orient’s opponents last Saturday, plan complaint
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Leyton Orient have shown a high number of positive Covid-19 tests in their playing squad – believed to number in double figures – which has led to the expectation that their Carabao Cup game at home to Tottenham on Tuesday will be called off, with a decision set for the morning, and serious questions being asked about the biosecurity of League Two.

The testing of players is not mandatory in the English Football League – as it is in the Premier League – with the authorities content to insist on stringent hygiene measures and work-place social distancing. They say that the evidence shows there is a minimal risk of transition of the virus via training and playing outdoors.

Spurs, though, wanted a degree of reassurance before the third-round tie and they paid for Orient’s first-team squad to be tested after the 2-2 draw at home to Mansfield on Saturday. The results have shocked the east London club, with Orient announcing on Monday lunchtime that they had closed their stadium and training ground until further notice.

The Guardian understands that Mansfield plan to lodge a formal complaint with the EFL, arguing that Orient players should have been tested before Saturday’s match given their manager, Ross Embleton, revealed there were a “number of people suffering with illnesses” in his pre-match press conference.

At the time Embleton stressed it was “not a Covid issue for any of us to worry about” and after the game he revealed that as many as “nine players” were struggling to play because of a “bug”. Orient’s doctor and head physio conducted regular medical checks and are understood to have felt comfortable the symptoms reported by players were unrelated to Covid-19 until last Friday, when it became apparent a couple of players were suffering from symptoms linked to the virus. As a precaution those players were not involved against Mansfield; they are thought to be among the positive tests.

Orient say they would have paid for tests before the Spurs tie and have since tested all behind-the-scenes staff, including stadium personnel. Mansfield will test players and staff in the next 24 hours and Plymouth, who played Orient last Tuesday, have also made arrangements to undertake precautionary testing, although no players or staff have reported Covid symptoms. It is understood some Orient players played against Plymouth despite not feeling 100%.

EFL clubs did have to test before returning to pre‑season training, at its midway point and before their first competitive games. Players also have to be tested on their return from international duty. The league is adamant compulsory testing was removed not because of prohibitive costs but on the strength of medical evidence after more than 99% of tests following last season’s restart were negative.

Orient said in a statement they had notified Mansfield, Plymouth and Oldham – whom they played the previous Saturday – before they went public with the news of their positive tests. The implications, given the high number of positives, are hugely worrying for the league.

Orient added that the “priority is the health and well-being of players and staff. Those who have tested positive will now strictly follow government self-isolation guidelines.”

What to do with the cup tie against Spurs was discussed throughout Monday with both clubs, the EFL, Public Health England and the director for public health in Waltham Forest, the local authority, all involved.

Spurs are mired in an unforgiving run of fixtures – they are also involved in Europa League qualification – and do not feel there is any room to rearrange against Orient. If the game is cancelled as expected then the game will be forfeited and Spurs would advance to the fourth round, as per Carabao Cup rules.

Orient were set to receive a £125,000 facilities fee from Sky, which chose to televise the tie live. The EFL administers the money from the £595m five-year deal it struck with the broadcaster and it is unclear whether it will withhold all or part of the payment to Orient. The governing body is trying to be as supportive as possible to its clubs, who have already been hit hard during the pandemic.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:44 pm

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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby gazza1988 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:52 pm

Just read it. It's ridiculous. The mental state of players wondering if they caught it. If not then could they catch it from Exeter on saturday? You have Exeter as well who could be worried that they could catch it off us. This season will be a farce of the highest order.

Thinking about it, I guess we will find out if the 2m for more than 15 minute idea has any legs. If a number of our own players test positive then I reckon that would be season over. We test positive then football isn't safe. Could have repercussions across the leagues.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Spiritater » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:24 am

Worrying lack of decision making by Orient. Two players showing Covid symptons on Friday really should have rung alarm bells as to what the bug going round was. Our game should have been postponed.
What on earth was Orient's doctor thinking about :shock:
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby James » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:05 am

From the early reports of this, it looks like Orient have acted disgracefully. They've put every single one of our players/staff in danger, it goes beyond the result of the game etc.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Spiritater » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:15 am

To be safe for anyone we play in future we should quarantine our boys asap for two weeks. That or ask Orient to foot the bill for testing.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:23 am

We where so grateful to get football back even watching it on ifollow.
Now with this news it puts everything in doubt, if clubs are not going to have the highest standards against this horrible covid 19.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:22 am

Orient made 8 changes for the League Cup against Plymouth on Tuesday night. Ross Embleton, said they had to leave some players out due to illness and injury. He said Josh Coulson was ill which was the reason they subbed him early in the 2nd half. He nearly did not play. He was replaced by Jamie Turley who was not in the squad against the Stags. The other player who played on Tuesday and who was not in the squad was Josh Wright. Conor Wilkinson started in the first league match at Oldham but was only on the bench against Plymouth and Mansfield.

Plymouth played AFC Wimbledon on Saturday so they will be at risk as well.
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby arsene wengers coat » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:27 am

Spiritater wrote:Worrying lack of decision making by Orient. Two players showing Covid symptons on Friday really should have rung alarm bells as to what the bug going round was. Our game should have been postponed.
What on earth was Orient's doctor thinking about :shock:


Agree. What an idiotic thing to do. Should never have been on. Hope we do them for negligence and damages etc...
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby The One » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:52 am

Spiritater wrote:Worrying lack of decision making by Orient. Two players showing Covid symptons on Friday really should have rung alarm bells as to what the bug going round was. Our game should have been postponed.
What on earth was Orient's doctor thinking about :shock:


The Daily Mail states 10 tested positive
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Re: Leyton Orient: Club confirms 'players' have coronavirus

Postby ParisStag » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:54 am

The One wrote:
Spiritater wrote:Worrying lack of decision making by Orient. Two players showing Covid symptons on Friday really should have rung alarm bells as to what the bug going round was. Our game should have been postponed.
What on earth was Orient's doctor thinking about :shock:


The Daily Mail states 10 tested positive


The Sun says 18... but it's The Sun.
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