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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Gazmoose82 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:47 pm

Let's be honest why would Premier league teams care about small teams such as us?!
80% of the owners are from abroad and have no interest or care of the tradition of english football in there eyes it would better if the EFL collapsed... No annoying EFL/FA Cup games to play.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:10 pm

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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Richard Cranium » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:11 pm

What do they want in return for helping us out?
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:10 pm



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prem ... -pnplj7qxz

Premier League looks for leverage before signing bailout for EFL clubs
Top-flight clubs stand firm over post-Brexit laws on signing young foreign players
Matt Lawton, Martyn Ziegler
Wednesday September 30 2020, 5.00pm, The Times

The Premier League wants the EFL to side with it against the FA on the recruitment of young foreign players post-Brexit before agreeing to a £200 million support package.

The government, which last week banned spectators from returning to stadiums for a further six months, has said that it will support clubs from the National League and below but expects the Premier League to use its wealth to bail out the 72 EFL clubs.

Sources have told The Times that the top-flight clubs are trying to exploit the desperation of the lower leagues to strengthen their position in negotiations with the FA over post-Brexit quotas for overseas players. One chairman of and EFL club likened it to “blackmail”.

While the Premier League is prepared to agree to a bailout for clubs facing potential financial ruin because of Covid-19, it is understood that it is insisting on certain conditions. Among those conditions is an agreement on curtailment, should the pandemic force a premature end to the season. The position, it seems, is to declare the campaign null and void if they have not played 75 per cent of the fixtures.

However, far more contentious is the debate over young foreign talent, aged between 18 and 21, and what criteria will need to be met by next summer before a club will be able to sign such an individual.

Until now the EFL has largely been in agreement with the FA on placing restrictions on the recruitment of young foreign players.

While the FA sees Brexit as a chance to create a system that provides more opportunities for young English players, EFL clubs often rely on selling homegrown talent they develop in their own academies to the Premier League. It would not be in their interests to see Premier League teams flooding their academies with foreign teenagers.

Premier League clubs want the EFL to support their position before parting with the bailout money they need to survive this period when fans remain excluded from stadia.

A meeting of the Premier League clubs yesterday was followed by discussions between the four divisions of the EFL today, with further talks planned for this week.

The Premier League clubs have been under pressure to underwrite losses of up to £22 million a month being posted by EFL sides since the government introduced new lockdown restrictions that delayed the return of fans.

Clearly they want something in return and Brexit is now the battleground, with football’s stakeholders required to agree on a new system that will be implemented at the end of this season.

The FA wants to have a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) system for all overseas players, which sets various criteria to be given a work permit, and whether you are from an EU country or Brazil will be treated the same now that the UK is no longer in the EU.

It is believed that under the GBE proposal, 18 to 21-year-olds who are full internationals or play for leading clubs would get work permits, and the FA is also prepared to extend this to under-21 internationals.

The Premier League, however, wants a global free market from 18 upwards, claiming its clubs are already being put at a disadvantage because they can no longer compete with the leading European teams in the pursuit of 16 and 17-year-olds. They don’t want any criteria such as international caps, transfer fees or wages, which govern the existing GBE system.

The concern, of course, is that the Premier League clubs would then be able to flood their academies with lots of unproven 18 to 21-year-olds rather than develop English players or buy from the EFL.

In January, the EFL’s chairman, Rick Parry, said that Brexit changes should mean more opportunities for young English players at clubs in the Championship, League One and League Two.

He said: “Football is gradually waking up to the fact that new rules will apply, not least in terms of the Fifa rules with under-18s, that’s unavoidable, so that’s going to be a major change, work permits for European players.

“The positive for the EFL is we can offer a pathway for young, English players. We are really well placed for that, be it through an extension of the loan system or whatever it might be, so I view it as a positive opportunity for us.”

Today, a Premier League spokesperson declined to comment on private conversations. The FA also declined to comment.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:44 am

Carlisle United co-owner John Nixon has warned “Armageddon” is close for lower league clubs amid the ongoing EFL crisis. The Football League are still waiting for a bailout after clubs were hit hard financially by the news that fans would not be returning to stadiums this month as planned, depriving teams of much-needed income. A number of chairmen have already warned that clubs face going out of business soon if financial aid is not provided by either the Premier League or the Government. Talks are said to be ongoing with regards to a rescue package from the top tier, with the EFL having asked for £250million in order to keep its clubs afloat, although there is still thought to be some opposition to a deal from some Premier League clubs.

Annual payments from the top tier, due in instalments until January, have been brought forward, while the EFL have agreed to delay the start of repayments on loans, but clubs are still in dire need of a bailout.

“Those monies were advanced payments, not new payments, and we’ve said all along that the concern would always be that we were kicking the can down the road. The Armageddon scenario is pretty close, because down the road is now not too far away. For September, to get the season up and running, we all got the September and October payments brought forward. The Premier League money due in January 2021 - we all received half of that at the beginning of August. That got us through getting people back into training, and the second half of that PL money is what we will now get in October. What we’ve had was this holiday period of stuff, furlough and the like, which took us through the summer, but it’s now dropping off. The advanced payments which were brought forward don’t come again, we must remember that, but we should find that October is okay.

“The reason there’s so much concern now, with Oliver Dowden and everybody else, is that we’re nearly into October, so what comes to help us next? As we sit here now, we have no deal with the Premier League, and the Government have said that the family can look after themselves. Ministers have been saying that since June, and we understand that because the Government can’t put money into every industry. There is a perception out there that because of the amount of money players get paid at the top level that there’s a lot of money available. Actually they aren’t giving any of it up, which is fair enough, because that’s the marketplace. The Premier League are getting less money because they haven’t been able to perform against their Sky contract, so they have less cash available to help us out. They’ve already committed to doing these solidarity payments, so it’s asking them to give something up.

“Some clubs had a little bit of cash which they’ve spent, some clubs have said they’ll run out of money in February and others are very close to the edge already. Getting through is going to be difficult. If we don’t get cash I think it’s inevitable that some may go. If we can’t find a way to get funds into clubs, it’s inevitable.”

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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby chip63 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:04 pm

Could save a lot of money playing Tuesday night games earlier to avoid floodlights.
Some Saturday games could benefit earlier starts for the same reason.
It's going to be a very hard winter for all clubs in all leagues.

Maybe we could organise a protest (allowed under covid rules).
We could hold it inside field mill with collection boxes at entry.

Make all our stands into pubs or takeaways.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Martin Shaw » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:09 pm

chip63 wrote:Could save a lot of money playing Tuesday night games earlier to avoid floodlights.
Some Saturday games could benefit earlier starts for the same reason.
It's going to be a very hard winter for all clubs in all leagues.

Maybe we could organise a protest (allowed under covid rules).
We could hold it inside field mill with collection boxes at entry.

Make all our stands into pubs or takeaways.

I don't know the cost of running the floodlights at the One Call Stadium.

But I do know that at Kent cricket the cost of running them for the day is only about £100. ie much less than you might imagine.

I would guess it would be better to play in the evening because you would get at least ten more match passes sold than in the afternoon.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby bellwhiff » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:39 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
chip63 wrote:Could save a lot of money playing Tuesday night games earlier to avoid floodlights.
Some Saturday games could benefit earlier starts for the same reason.
It's going to be a very hard winter for all clubs in all leagues.

Maybe we could organise a protest (allowed under covid rules).
We could hold it inside field mill with collection boxes at entry.

Make all our stands into pubs or takeaways.

I don't know the cost of running the floodlights at the One Call Stadium.

But I do know that at Kent cricket the cost of running them for the day is only about £100. ie much less than you might imagine.

I would guess it would be better to play in the evening because you would get at least ten more match passes sold than in the afternoon.


Plus the wages of the lad putting the 50ps in the meter
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:49 pm

Didn't we play a game earlier in the day during the miners' strike in the early 70s?

I can remember playing Peterborough at home on a Sunday in 1972. We won 4-2 and John Fairbrother had a cracking game and scored a hat-trick.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby smulls » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:13 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Didn't we play a game earlier in the day during the miners' strike in the early 70s?

I can remember playing Peterborough at home on a Sunday in 1972. We won 4-2 and John Fairbrother had a cracking game and scored a hat-trick.


No I don't think so. At that time we were not allowed to play on Sundays until 18th February 1981 we were the first team ever to play on a Sunday away to Darlington.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby NIGEL » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:31 pm

Just checking back through the the official records the 4-2 Peterborough match was Monday 9th October 1972 and our first Sunday home game was against Peterborough 20th January 1974 which we won 2-1.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby smulls » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:10 pm

NIGEL wrote:Just checking back through the the official records the 4-2 Peterborough match was Monday 9th October 1972 and our first Sunday home game was against Peterborough 20th January 1974 which we won 2-1.


Sorry my mistake! Darlington v Mansfield Town was the first scheduled Sunday league game in February 1981. (We'd already played on a Sunday out of necessity in the 1970s during the power strike)!
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Bros » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:13 pm

I seem to remember a pre season friendly during the dark lord's reign when he refused to put the lights on and we finished in semi darkness
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby bellwhiff » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:57 pm

smulls wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Didn't we play a game earlier in the day during the miners' strike in the early 70s?

I can remember playing Peterborough at home on a Sunday in 1972. We won 4-2 and John Fairbrother had a cracking game and scored a hat-trick.


No I don't think so. At that time we were not allowed to play on Sundays until 18th February 1981 we were the first team ever to play on a Sunday away to Darlington.


I went to the Peterborough game. There used to be no buses on Sundays from Langwith so we got a lift
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby part time pete » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:52 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Didn't we play a game earlier in the day during the miners' strike in the early 70s?

I can remember playing Peterborough at home on a Sunday in 1972. We won 4-2 and John Fairbrother had a cracking game and scored a hat-trick.


I remember going to an FACup replay at Scunthorpe with a December weekday afternoon kick off in the 1970’s miners strike. As floodlights couldn’t be used and the possibility of extra time the kick off was something like 1.30pm.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Martin Shaw » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:03 pm

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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Sedgwick » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:14 pm

Been told today by someone I trust that his club have been told to prepare for social distanced crowds again, they've been taping off seats and rows in the stands today.

And it makes sense As the company I work for gets/ implements government advice on things like working from home etc two weeks before it's announced, so some news could be coming soon??

Government going to let us back soon??
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:50 pm

Meanwhile Sean Dyche who played in the lower leagues and learnt his trade as a manager in the lower leagues says that a successful Premier Club is like any other successful business and is under no obligation to help out struggling rivals.

https://www.metro.news/sean-dyche-footb ... s/2156119/?
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby pemill » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:11 pm

A good bit of business to get a fee for him, didn't really pull up any trees.

With a lot of folk a fans favourite.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:25 pm

pemill wrote:A good bit of business to get a fee for him, didn't really pull up any trees.

With a lot of folk a fans favourite.


Who, Sean Dyche???
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby chip63 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:28 pm

A 5% tax on all player transfer fees would save every club in every league.
As soon as the crisis is over maybe 1% for any future problems.
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby garlic » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:02 pm

chip63 wrote:A 5% tax on all player transfer fees would save every club in every league.
As soon as the crisis is over maybe 1% for any future problems.

Not a bad idea, forgive my maths but the Premier League has just spent a billion on transfer fees during this current window, so what is 5% of a billion, and how much would that mean for lower league clubs? Would non-league clubs also benefit?
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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby Dan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:01 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Meanwhile Sean Dyche who played in the lower leagues and learnt his trade as a manager in the lower leagues says that a successful Premier Club is like any other successful business and is under no obligation to help out struggling rivals.

https://www.metro.news/sean-dyche-footb ... s/2156119/?


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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby chip63 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:02 am

garlic wrote:
chip63 wrote:A 5% tax on all player transfer fees would save every club in every league.
As soon as the crisis is over maybe 1% for any future problems.

Not a bad idea, forgive my maths but the Premier League has just spent a billion on transfer fees during this current window, so what is 5% of a billion, and how much would that mean for lower league clubs? Would non-league clubs also benefit?


50 million I think, more than enough to help football throughout the leagues.
20 for the championship 10 each for league 1and 2 and 10 from grass roots upwards.

That's football solved. Pubs next :D

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Re: Prep for fans returning/fans return scrapped/bail-out

Postby adamstag » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:53 am

The problem being is mansfield and other EFL clubs are between a rock and a hard place.

Between the premiership who will want leverage and no doubt bring up B teams or the most inept government I’ve ever seen.

Sadly it’s going to have to come from 1 of the 2.
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