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Re: Salary cap.

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:20 pm

Interesting. I wonder if we will now see some new signings today, announced tomorrow?

For those players that let their contract expire and don’t have a new deal lined up that leaves them a few hours to sign up or else the clubs will be constrained by the overall cap from Midnight?

The promotion bonus also offers clubs the opportunity to pay big money for promotion without using up the cap. That might shift decent players towards better clubs, particularly in the January window.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby bellwhiff » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:23 pm

This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby MTFCMusings » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:25 pm

bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Completely agree, used exactly the same phrase earlier. It cannot be right.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:31 pm

There will be a few unintended consequences. A championship club dropping down will have a big advantage as they will be able to keep paying championship wages because of the relegation exemption.

Teams that have signed players before today or have existing good players on amounts over the cap will have done well.

Big wage earners with time unexpired on their contract will be harder to move as the new club won’t want to take them on if their wage is too high but the transferring player won’t want to take a wage cut. You could end up with ‘high’ earners stuck at clubs they don’t want to play for but they can’t get a transfer because of the cap.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby Scothie the Stag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:37 pm

It just feels like a lot of players will either be happy collecting a better wage in the Championship reserves or bypass League Two and go straight to the big hitters in the Conference.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby BH_Stag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:51 pm

Don’t like it for so many reasons.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby oldweststander » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:06 pm

MTFCMusings wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Completely agree, used exactly the same phrase earlier. It cannot be right.



Would you still be saying that if we were Macclesfield?

I doubt it.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby gazza1988 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:10 pm

NorthLondonStag wrote:There will be a few unintended consequences. A championship club dropping down will have a big advantage as they will be able to keep paying championship wages because of the relegation exemption.

Teams that have signed players before today or have existing good players on amounts over the cap will have done well.

Big wage earners with time unexpired on their contract will be harder to move as the new club won’t want to take them on if their wage is too high but the transferring player won’t want to take a wage cut. You could end up with ‘high’ earners stuck at clubs they don’t want to play for but they can’t get a transfer because of the cap.


That bottom part is where loans come in. If a new club can only offer 75% of his wages, the the parent club would likely take the 25% "hit" to bring in a player who would want to play for them.

Players also won't have that kind of power anymore. You get a rep as a player who isn't bothered and refuses to play then he won't get a great deal in the future.

I can see us being like the Spanish leagues where every contract must have a release clause in them. Where if the club recieve an offer worth a certain amount it must be accepted and its up to the player if he moves on or not. Could have to same for a relegation clause or a "non-promotion" clause.

It could lead to league 2 having to compete with top conference sides for signings, and likely those conference sides could win.

The percentage of income was fine. It was a limit that some clubs, foolishly, treated as a target.

Is this a temporary system? Or is it a "2 birds 1 stone" solution to bury/bolton and covid? If its permanent I can see it being a "2 leagues 1 stone" problem.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby BH_Stag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:11 pm

oldweststander wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Completely agree, used exactly the same phrase earlier. It cannot be right.



Would you still be saying that if we were Macclesfield?

I doubt it.


The EFL should focus on getting their own house in order and doing proper checks on owners. Then we wouldn’t be having to vote in ridiculous things like this.

The gap between the championship and league 1 will soon be bigger than ever - will be almost impossible to make a decent transition upwards. The quality of leagues 1 and 2 will also decrease. Players would probably rather get paid more playing for reserves teams or even the conference than turning out in league 2 for half the money.

This vote will do more harm than good In the long run.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby cassellswasmagic » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:17 pm

And yet league one and two clubs voted for this. So obviously they think it won’t hurt them.

I find that strange. Is there any cap in the conference, of any kind?

Football isn’t the same anymore and this is another straw removed!
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby kevin kents tasce » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:36 pm

bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Don't be a snowflake. "Football Communism" what a load of rubbish.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby MTFCMusings » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:52 pm

oldweststander wrote:
MTFCMusings wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Completely agree, used exactly the same phrase earlier. It cannot be right.



Would you still be saying that if we were Macclesfield?

I doubt it.


Macclesfield’s situation has nothing to with a salary cap. It’s about ensuring fit and proper owners are allowed to take over football clubs.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:00 pm

The rules do not seem to deal with the problem of a League 1 or 2 club striking a deal with a Premier League or Championship club to pick up loan players on the cheap.

Salford City could stick to the salary cap of £1.5 million (unlikely!) but then use their contacts at Man Utd to sign up their young players on loan and pay a very small part of their wages. They could even receive the players for free as long as they play them. There is a danger of lower league clubs just becoming feeder clubs because they need cheap players to comply with the salary cap although this could happen now.

The EFL would need to have a rule that if you sign a player on loan then you are deemed for the purposes of the salary cap to be paying a certain percentage of that player's wages (10-25%) even if the club concerned is paying a lower amount.

Clubs with a higher income/turnover e.g. Sunderland, Portsmouth, Ipswich Town etc would start complaining if they were prevented from signing players due to the salary cap but clubs with a lower income/turnover such as Accrington and Rochdale were picking up quality loan players on the cheap or even for free.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:04 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Don't be a snowflake. "Football Communism" what a load of rubbish.


Let me do it for him to get it over with ‘what’s a tasce anyway?’ :lol: :lol:
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:10 pm

This is a disappointment. And Bellwhiff is right, as am I. I wrote some essay style posts on this previously.

In a nut-shell, the clubs that have coped are being punished by not being allowed to invest because Tranmere and Rochdale couldn't pay their bills. We are having an opportunity ripped away from us so the status quo can be maintained.

If Tranmere and Rochdale can't pay their bills, then they need to cut their cloth accordingly and not pay such hefty wages on players. If this means they get relegated a couple of times, fine. A league is the ultimate meritocracy and the wage cap completely undermines it by restricting a clubs ability to invest in their squad and take advantage of another clubs misfortune. This is a good opportunity to get to L1 and more, and it's been taken away next other clubs are 'cap in hand'.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby yorkshire stag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:11 pm

JR pushed for this, he certainly int daft

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Re: Salary cap.

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:11 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The rules do not seem to deal with the problem of a League 1 or 2 club striking a deal with a Premier League or Championship club to pick up loan players on the cheap.

Salford City could stick to the salary cap of £1.5 million (unlikely!) but then use their contacts at Man Utd to sign up their young players on loan and pay a very small part of their wages. They could even receive the players for free as long as they play them. There is a danger of lower league clubs just becoming feeder clubs because they need cheap players to comply with the salary cap although this could happen now.

The EFL would need to have a rule that if you sign a player on loan then you are deemed for the purposes of the salary cap to be paying a certain percentage of that player's wages (10-25%) even if the club concerned is paying a lower amount.

Clubs with a higher income/turnover e.g. Sunderland, Portsmouth, Ipswich Town etc would start complaining if they were prevented from signing players due to the salary cap but clubs with a lower income/turnover such as Accrington and Rochdale were picking up quality loan players on the cheap or even for free.


Good point. That’s the trouble with these sorts of things you end up with all sorts of unintended consequences and work arounds.

Take a championship club for example coming down. They’ve employed all their players up to the 18m cap. When they come down they can pick and choose to keep their best players all on the same wages (let’s just ignore that they can’t be that good as they’ve just got relegated), get rid of some others and then bring some new blood in as well. Because of this they are fancied to go up and so they can offer good League one players up
To the cap but with a massive promotion bonus.

How can the existing league one teams compete with that?

And take a club at the top of the league in January. It can then pick up the best talent up to the cap and offer a huge promotion bonus to the best players (not covered by the cap). So the cap will mean if you are at or near the top at Christmas you can reinforce your position by offering big promotion bonuses to get the best players. Those players won’t go to mid table teams because of the cap and no (likely) bonus.

And let’s say you’ve got a cup run going. Well let’s offer a (very large) fourth round bonus to a good player, because cup runs aren’t covered by the cap.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby bellwhiff » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:12 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:This is footballing communism. It is inherently anti competitive.


Don't be a snowflake. "Football Communism" what a load of rubbish.

Bite me.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby stagmanrob » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:12 pm

Conference clubs will effectively be able to outpay League Clubs, gain promotion, then offer huge promotion bonuses once in League Two to persuade them to stay on.

Looks like it'll be much easier for Conference clubs to jump through the divisions than it would be for a club starting out in League Two.

Steve Evans will be back in the Conference soon if he can find a sugar daddy chairman.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby Sedgwick » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:52 am

Every football club should have a chance of success and it shouldn't take a wealthy owner to come along to make that happen so a level playing field will be good to see for once.

But I think a lot of this just screws clubs over, the gaps between leagues will get bigger.

Question, is this just for one season?
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby BH_Stag » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:29 am


There we go, sign our high earners up for Retford and get them on loan to us for the season :lol:
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby gazza1988 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:43 am

Sedgwick wrote:Every football club should have a chance of success and it shouldn't take a wealthy owner to come along to make that happen so a level playing field will be good to see for once.

But I think a lot of this just screws clubs over, the gaps between leagues will get bigger.

Question, is this just for one season?


I see what you are saying about wealthy owners bankrolling clubs. Unless I've misread something then wouldn't this method also punish sides who develop players to sell for a profit? Or go on a good cup run?

Just smacks of a method to maintain the status quo, something to stop all these uppity little clubs getting somewhere they don't belong. Everyone stays in their leagues and have a few yoyo clubs between the leagues due to the "cap" limits of each league and transition period. Those clubs being relegated would have a huge advantage considering league 1's max spend is 66% higher than league 2.
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby Parkinsons Perm » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:51 am

BH_Stag wrote:
There we go, sign our high earners up for Retford and get them on loan to us for the season :lol:


What a fab idea, let's hope JR's read it or already thought of it :lol:
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:21 am

Parkinsons Perm wrote:
BH_Stag wrote:
There we go, sign our high earners up for Retford and get them on loan to us for the season :lol:


What a fab idea, let's hope JR's read it or already thought of it :lol:


Doesn't he already own Retford?
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Re: Salary cap.

Postby BH_Stag » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:30 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
Parkinsons Perm wrote:
BH_Stag wrote:
There we go, sign our high earners up for Retford and get them on loan to us for the season :lol:


What a fab idea, let's hope JR's read it or already thought of it :lol:


Doesn't he already own Retford?


Yes he does, well, One Call do I believe
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