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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby adamstag » Wed May 13, 2020 9:56 pm

Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm

adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby NorthLondonStag » Wed May 13, 2020 11:18 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


There’s no reason though why you couldn’t increase league 2 to 25 teams (I accept that you would never be able to have a ‘full’ fixture list). You would then (say) have 3 relegation spots for next year.

I heard they were thinking of bumping the premier league up to a bigger number as well (ie some up from championship but none down) and then gradually lowering the teams (eg 4 or 5 down and then 3 up).

If we ever do get going then 25 in league two in for one year wouldn’t be terrible.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby adamstag » Wed May 13, 2020 11:39 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


Of course you wouldn’t, 4 would go up as normal but only 3 would come down as bury were chucked out, so barrow in essence might not be “promoted” but invited to participate as the highest ranked side out of the EFL. Or however the hell they go about dressing it up
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu May 14, 2020 9:43 am

adamstag wrote:
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adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


Of course you wouldn’t, 4 would go up as normal but only 3 would come down as bury were chucked out, so barrow in essence might not be “promoted” but invited to participate as the highest ranked side out of the EFL. Or however the hell they go about dressing it up


I think you missed the bit where I said if there were no promotions or relegations as that would count for league 1 as well. So none up or down from the two leagues and promote Barrow equals 25 in league 2 and 23 in league 1. If you want to balance it out you are back with the problem of deciding how to fairly work out who goes up and down between the leagues.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby gazza1988 » Thu May 14, 2020 10:37 am

When Chester left the conference their results were expunged and a relegation space was saved. Bury went before this season started and league one went with a reduced number and 1 less relegation spot.

Looks like clubs are saved from relegation before additional promotion spots are given.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby adamstag » Thu May 14, 2020 10:50 am

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


Of course you wouldn’t, 4 would go up as normal but only 3 would come down as bury were chucked out, so barrow in essence might not be “promoted” but invited to participate as the highest ranked side out of the EFL. Or however the hell they go about dressing it up


I think you missed the bit where I said if there were no promotions or relegations as that would count for league 1 as well. So none up or down from the two leagues and promote Barrow equals 25 in league 2 and 23 in league 1. If you want to balance it out you are back with the problem of deciding how to fairly work out who goes up and down between the leagues.


The EFL have already stated that promotion and relegation will happen and the leagues will be completed on PPG or some weird PPG weighted with home and away games.

As such league 1 will have 24 teams next season, barrow will come up in place or bury and Harrogate in place of Stevenage. That’s the gist we got from the latest update from the EFL.

As the FL will return to its compliment of 92 teams - the conference have already stated that only 3 would go down from their division due to the knock on effect of bury.

So there wouldnt be any leagues with 23/25 next season.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby NorthLondonStag » Thu May 14, 2020 11:56 am

adamstag wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


Of course you wouldn’t, 4 would go up as normal but only 3 would come down as bury were chucked out, so barrow in essence might not be “promoted” but invited to participate as the highest ranked side out of the EFL. Or however the hell they go about dressing it up


I think you missed the bit where I said if there were no promotions or relegations as that would count for league 1 as well. So none up or down from the two leagues and promote Barrow equals 25 in league 2 and 23 in league 1. If you want to balance it out you are back with the problem of deciding how to fairly work out who goes up and down between the leagues.


The EFL have already stated that promotion and relegation will happen and the leagues will be completed on PPG or some weird PPG weighted with home and away games.

As such league 1 will have 24 teams next season, barrow will come up in place or bury and Harrogate in place of Stevenage. That’s the gist we got from the latest update from the EFL.

As the FL will return to its compliment of 92 teams - the conference have already stated that only 3 would go down from their division due to the knock on effect of bury.

So there wouldnt be any leagues with 23/25 next season.


Adam, if we ever get to go again I will bet you a cold lager at a suitable venue that won’t happen and we won’t end up with even leagues like you suggest.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Thu May 14, 2020 12:25 pm

adamstag wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
adamstag wrote:Well barrow apart to make up the numbers you can’t have promotion but not relegation or visa versa, would be madness.


Exactly but you can't promote Barrow without one promotion to league 1 or you would have 25 clubs in league 2 next year. So if no relegations no promotion from the national league either.


Of course you wouldn’t, 4 would go up as normal but only 3 would come down as bury were chucked out, so barrow in essence might not be “promoted” but invited to participate as the highest ranked side out of the EFL. Or however the hell they go about dressing it up


I think you missed the bit where I said if there were no promotions or relegations as that would count for league 1 as well. So none up or down from the two leagues and promote Barrow equals 25 in league 2 and 23 in league 1. If you want to balance it out you are back with the problem of deciding how to fairly work out who goes up and down between the leagues.


The EFL have already stated that promotion and relegation will happen and the leagues will be completed on PPG or some weird PPG weighted with home and away games.

As such league 1 will have 24 teams next season, barrow will come up in place or bury and Harrogate in place of Stevenage. That’s the gist we got from the latest update from the EFL.

As the FL will return to its compliment of 92 teams - the conference have already stated that only 3 would go down from their division due to the knock on effect of bury.

So there wouldnt be any leagues with 23/25 next season.


The EFL have also said that the season will be finished no matter what but that's not going to happen is it?, they have altered their stance on that so it doesn't follow that relegations/promotions will definitely follow either.

If the EFL think they can get agreement from all clubs over who goes up/down then they should go and negotiate a Middle East peace agreement. The only way to avoid mass litigation is to cancel the season and expunge the records so that everyone is in the same position and treated equally.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby adamstag » Thu May 14, 2020 12:52 pm

North London stag it would be nice for us all to have a nice cold beer after this

the “plan” for when all this has settled down is to have 72 clubs in the football league, which will happen in the way mentioned above unless anything changes. I’d be very nervous if I followed the likes of Macclesfield and Oldham for instance.

Of course whether all clubs etc make it who knows, there will be a big change for all after this without a doubt possibly in ways none of us have even thought about.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby geoffhill » Sun May 17, 2020 1:48 pm

I personally would like both Notts County and Chesterfield to be in our league as they are all local derbies and make for exciting games to go and watch.Not forgetting that they are all good for revenue.Pretty sure if you asked The Radfords they would like them to play.
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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby bellwhiff » Sun May 17, 2020 2:35 pm

geoffhill wrote:I personally would like both Notts County and Chesterfield to be in our league as they are all local derbies and make for exciting games to go and watch.Not forgetting that they are all good for revenue.Pretty sure if you asked The Radfords they would like them to play.


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Re: Macclesfield Penalty

Postby adamstag » Mon May 18, 2020 11:18 am

geoffhill wrote:I personally would like both Notts County and Chesterfield to be in our league as they are all local derbies and make for exciting games to go and watch.Not forgetting that they are all good for revenue.Pretty sure if you asked The Radfords they would like them to play.


I bet their fans were wishing that as well :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think the vast vast majority of mansfield fans would want them both to have at least another few seasons before they came back up.

Last thing we’d want is the stick that it took us 5 years and how they both did it so fast!
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