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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:31 pm

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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Stoney » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:47 pm

Ollie Watkins has moved to Aston Villa from Brentford for 28 million quid, rising to 33.

I'm reading that Exeter had a 20% sell on clause. That's a huge £5,000,000+ pay day for a league two club.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby bobbystagsfan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:57 pm

Stoney wrote:Ollie Watkins has moved to Aston Villa from Brentford for 28 million quid, rising to 33.

I'm reading that Exeter had a 20% sell on clause. That's a huge £5,000,000+ pay day for a league two club.



And they'll still bottle the play offs
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:00 pm

And just when the salary cap has come into play. What a shame for them, how sad, never mind.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Stoney » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:02 pm

Keeps their club really secure through covid though and that money could be wisely spent on training/youth facilities.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Conker » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:14 pm

I remember when Cambridge got loads of money and wasted it, I remember the last few seasons all the money we’ve spent and wasted.

I reckon Exeter have a better shot at actually not wasting it.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Amber Andy » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:05 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
Stoney wrote:Ollie Watkins has moved to Aston Villa from Brentford for 28 million quid, rising to 33.

I'm reading that Exeter had a 20% sell on clause. That's a huge £5,000,000+ pay day for a league two club.



And they'll still bottle the play offs
At least they will get there :)
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Captain Cunno » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:11 pm

And we nearly signed him.....
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby bobbystagsfan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:12 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:And we nearly signed him.....



By nearly signing him do you mean Evans putting in a daft offer in at the last minute :lol: no way was he signing for us over Brentford
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Stagsfan11 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:13 pm

bobbystagsfan wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:And we nearly signed him.....



By nearly signing him do you mean Evans putting in a daft offer in at the last minute :lol: no way was he signing for us over Brentford


No, when we were in the conference I believe
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Young021 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:26 pm

Stagsfan11 wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:And we nearly signed him.....



By nearly signing him do you mean Evans putting in a daft offer in at the last minute :lol: no way was he signing for us over Brentford


No, when we were in the conference I believe

So you’re saying we nearly signed Watkins when he was 15/16. We made a 350k bid for him in jan 2017 which was rejected 6 months later went for like 1+ mill
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Stagsfan11 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:30 pm

Young021 wrote:
Stagsfan11 wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:And we nearly signed him.....



By nearly signing him do you mean Evans putting in a daft offer in at the last minute :lol: no way was he signing for us over Brentford


No, when we were in the conference I believe

So you’re saying we nearly signed Watkins when he was 15/16. We made a 350k bid for him in jan 2017 which was rejected 6 months later went for like 1+ mill


I now realise I’m getting him mixed up with Andre Gray :lol:
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby bobbystagsfan » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:37 pm

Stagsfan11 wrote:
Young021 wrote:
Stagsfan11 wrote:
bobbystagsfan wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:And we nearly signed him.....



By nearly signing him do you mean Evans putting in a daft offer in at the last minute :lol: no way was he signing for us over Brentford


No, when we were in the conference I believe

So you’re saying we nearly signed Watkins when he was 15/16. We made a 350k bid for him in jan 2017 which was rejected 6 months later went for like 1+ mill


I now realise I’m getting him mixed up with Andre Gray :lol:


We nearly signed Vardy I think too, but Fleetwood offered to build him a house and he went there instead. I'm sure I heard that, how true it is I don't know
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby five to three » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:44 pm

We nearly signed Vardy I think too, but Fleetwood offered to build him a house and he went there instead. I'm sure I heard that, how true it is I don't know[/quote]

Unfortunately the house was in Fleetwood!!
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby part time pete » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:56 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And just when the salary cap has come into play. What a shame for them, how sad, never mind.



I don’t think you understand, any transfer money you receive increases your salary cap.

If they receive £5m, then their salary cap is £6.5m
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby MTFCMAD » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:16 pm

part time pete wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And just when the salary cap has come into play. What a shame for them, how sad, never mind.



I don’t think you understand, any transfer money you receive increases your salary cap.

If they receive £5m, then their salary cap is £6.5m


I don't think it works like that unless ive missed some additional rules regarding the cap.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby part time pete » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

MTFCMAD wrote:
part time pete wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And just when the salary cap has come into play. What a shame for them, how sad, never mind.



I don’t think you understand, any transfer money you receive increases your salary cap.

If they receive £5m, then their salary cap is £6.5m


I don't think it works like that unless ive missed some additional rules regarding the cap.



Sorry, it is only loan income that is added to the salary cap and not transfer income in League One and Two.
However in the championship, transfer income is taken into account in their FFP rules.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby stagmanrob » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:49 am

Matty Blair has signed for Cheltenham I see.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:54 am

part time pete wrote:
MTFCMAD wrote:
part time pete wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:And just when the salary cap has come into play. What a shame for them, how sad, never mind.



I don’t think you understand, any transfer money you receive increases your salary cap.

If they receive £5m, then their salary cap is £6.5m


I don't think it works like that unless ive missed some additional rules regarding the cap.



Sorry, it is only loan income that is added to the salary cap and not transfer income in League One and Two.
However in the championship, transfer income is taken into account in their FFP rules.


An unusual mistake from you Pete and an easy one to make so I’m sure no harm is done. :D

It just goes to illustrate the normally high standard of your knowledge on which we all rely.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:52 pm

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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby spanishstag » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:14 pm

Who the hell are pafosfc
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby BH_Stag » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:16 pm

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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby oldweststander » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:39 pm

spanishstag wrote:Who the hell are pafosfc



Cyprus
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:10 pm

Jack Evans must be in the running for the most pointless loan signing of all time. I hope we did not have to pay Swansea much money for him. Have the Stags ever had another loan player that never played a game for us?

I was listening to Darragh MacAnthony's podcast. He discussed loan deals and said that higher league clubs will expect lower league clubs to pay part of the player's wages and also provide accommodation for the loan player. He said they will also try and charge a loan fee and include additional clauses such as paying a promotion bonus to the club and paying the loan player's wages for the couple of months at the end of the season. They may also charge a fee if the loan player does not play a certain number of league games. The player's agent will also want a fee for the loan deal. You also have to pay VAT as the club loaning the player out invoices the lower league club for the player's services.

He said that when they had Ben White on loan from Brighton from January 2019 to May 2019 it cost Peterborough over £100,000..... and he said Ben White and his agent and Brighton were fairly reasonable when negotiating the deal! Ben White made 14(1) league appearances for the Posh.
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Re: Players Released, Transfers & Loans 2020-2021

Postby BH_Stag » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:53 am

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Jack Evans must be in the running for the most pointless loan signing of all time. I hope we did not have to pay Swansea much money for him. Have the Stags ever had another loan player that never played a game for us?

I was listening to Darragh MacAnthony's podcast. He discussed loan deals and said that higher league clubs will expect lower league clubs to pay part of the player's wages and also provide accommodation for the loan player. He said they will also try and charge a loan fee and include additional clauses such as paying a promotion bonus to the club and paying the loan player's wages for the couple of months at the end of the season. They may also charge a fee if the loan player does not play a certain number of league games. The player's agent will also want a fee for the loan deal. You also have to pay VAT as the club loaning the player out invoices the lower league club for the player's services.

He said that when they had Ben White on loan from Brighton from January 2019 to May 2019 it cost Peterborough over £100,000..... and he said Ben White and his agent and Brighton were fairly reasonable when negotiating the deal! Ben White made 14(1) league appearances for the Posh.


We’ve had some pretty pointless loans in the past, but I can only remember one other not making an appearance I think... Amari Bell, who has since done half decent in the football league.

Jack Blake, CM from Forest always sticks out as a pointless one to me back in our first season back in the league. James Alabi’s obviously went terribly due to the sending off! James Caton made 1 appearance in the League Cup. Sean Kavanagh from Fulham & Daniel Alfei from Swansea I think were quite pointless but got a handful of games - perhaps we had injuries. Matt Penney also barely featured but is now doing quite well.
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