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Mellis in court

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:57 pm

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Re: Mellis in court

Postby ParisStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:19 pm

Ah so that's why he was in Nottingham!
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:23 pm

:?: :?: So what happened to the other player, nothing been mentioned yet
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby STAGS FOR LIFE » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:31 pm

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STAGS FOR LIFE wrote::?: :?: So what happened to the other player, nothing been mentioned yet



Here we go

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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:09 pm

The only credit that you can give to Donohue is that he has had the grace to plead guilty and saved the victim the trauma of a trial. If you are cynical you could argue he has only done it to get a shorter sentence, which may be correct.

I think he will have to pack a toothbrush.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby lifestags » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:17 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:The only credit that you can give to Donohue is that he has had the grace to plead guilty and saved the victim the trauma of a trial. If you are cynical you could argue he has only done it to get a shorter sentence, which may be correct.

I think he will have to pack a toothbrush.



Or it could be as reported at the time and mellis didn't lay a finger on him and it was all Dion?
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Captain Cunno » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:28 pm

Exactly...
Was you present at the incident sandy Pate ?
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby one f in mansfield » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:08 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:Exactly...
Was you present at the incident sandy Pate ?


Where does he mention Mellis.As far as I can see he clearly only refers to Donahue but you somehow manage to put a twist on it .
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Billy the fish » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:40 pm

Mellis should go on trial for impersonating a professional footballer something we’ve seldom seen this season
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm

The Sentencing Guidelines are as follows.

GBH
Category depends on culpability and amount of harm caused.

Category 1: 12 years’ custody. Range: 9 – 16 years’ custody
Category 2: 6 years’ custody. Range 5 – 9 years’ custody
Category 3: 4 years’ custody. Range 3 – 5 years’ custody

Maximum one third reduction for guilty plea

Affray
I would say it is a Category 1 offence (serious physical injury) and Culpability will be A or B.

Culpability A: Starting point 2 years’ custody. Category range 1 year 6 months – 2 years 9 months’ custody
Culpability B: Starting point 1 year’s custody. Category range 26 weeks’ – 1 year 6 months’ custody


Assault
Maximum: 2 years’ custody

Starting point: community orders

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/ab ... uidelines/


Jacob Mellis might do a bit of plea bargaining. He might offer to plead guilty to assault if GBH and Affray charges are dropped and then hope for a non-custodial sentence. He's looking at a custodial sentence if found guilty of GBH or affray.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:57 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:The Sentencing Guidelines are as follows.

GBH
Category depends on culpability and amount of harm caused.

Category 1: 12 years’ custody. Range: 9 – 16 years’ custody
Category 2: 6 years’ custody. Range 5 – 9 years’ custody
Category 3: 4 years’ custody. Range 3 – 5 years’ custody

Maximum one third reduction for guilty plea

Affray
I would say it is a Category 1 offence (serious physical injury) and Culpability will be A or B.

Culpability A: Starting point 2 years’ custody. Category range 1 year 6 months – 2 years 9 months’ custody
Culpability B: Starting point 1 year’s custody. Category range 26 weeks’ – 1 year 6 months’ custody


Assault
Maximum: 2 years’ custody

Starting point: community orders

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/ab ... uidelines/


Jacob Mellis might do a bit of plea bargaining. He might offer to plead guilty to assault if GBH and Affray charges are dropped and then hope for a non-custodial sentence. He's looking at a custodial sentence if found guilty of GBH or affray.


TTP I don’t believe your GBH guidelines are correct. That’s for GBH with intent. ‘Standard’ GBH carries a lower tariff.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Captain Cunno » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:08 pm

one f in mansfield wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:Exactly...
Was you present at the incident sandy Pate ?


Where does he mention Mellis.As far as I can see he clearly only refers to Donahue but you somehow manage to put a twist on it .


My mistake I read it wrong.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:15 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:Exactly...
Was you present at the incident sandy Pate ?

Obviously not. If you would care to read it again, I make no reference to Jakab Mellis as he has pleaded not guilty and I am not judging him as I know no facts.

Donahue has pleaded guilty so I think it acceptable to speculate what his punishment may be as his guilt is no longer in doubt. As I stated I think it inevitable he will receive a custodial sentence hence my comment about his toothbrush.

Apology accepted - oh sorry it must have been the gate I heard rattling and not you mumbling something.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:19 pm

Apology accepted Captain. You posted as I was typing so I missed your very clear and sincere words. Sorry for that.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Richard Cranium » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:33 pm

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Re: Mellis in court

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:41 pm

NorthLondonStag wrote:TTP I don’t believe your GBH guidelines are correct. That’s for GBH with intent. ‘Standard’ GBH carries a lower tariff.


Your right. I had clicked on the wrong GBH link. Probably going to be Category 1 or 2 again due to serious harm inflicted.

GBH
Category 1: 3 years’ custody. Range: 2 years 6 months’ – 4 years’ custody
Category 2: 1 year 6 months’ custody. Range: 1 – 3 years’ custody
Category 3: High level community order. Range: Low level community order – 51 weeks’ custody

Maximum one third reduction for guilty plea.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/of ... -wounding/
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:55 pm

Tippy Tappy Football wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:TTP I don’t believe your GBH guidelines are correct. That’s for GBH with intent. ‘Standard’ GBH carries a lower tariff.


Your right. I had clicked on the wrong GBH link. Probably going to be Category 1 or 2 again due to serious harm inflicted.

GBH
Category 1: 3 years’ custody. Range: 2 years 6 months’ – 4 years’ custody
Category 2: 1 year 6 months’ custody. Range: 1 – 3 years’ custody
Category 3: High level community order. Range: Low level community order – 51 weeks’ custody

Maximum one third reduction for guilty plea.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/of ... -wounding/


Remember they can suspend the sentence too so not necessarily proper jail time.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:57 pm

Definate time for this Donohue fella.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:58 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:07 pm

NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


No.

Are you?
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:18 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


No.

Are you?


No. I don’t practise criminal law (its not my area) and never have but I have studied it many years ago and I do know that sentencing depends on (a) tariff (b) severity of the offence (and context within tariff) (c) previous offences (and similarity) (d) guilty plea (e) mitigation (f) sentencing report(s) (g) victim statement (h) aggravating factors and (i) not stated, but side of bed the judge got out of that day.

There’s certain offences that carry mandatory jail terms (there’s actually very few) and then there’s a whole range of discretionary sentencing. He might go to jail and he might not.

The outcome depends on a whole range of factors where you don’t (and I don’t) have the facts. Your statement suggested a level of confidence that I don’t believe you can have, hence I questioned it.

You might be right (and he may well get such a sentence) but you can’t be sure.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:28 pm

NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


No.

Are you?


No. I don’t practise criminal law (its not my area) and never have but I have studied it many years ago and I do know that sentencing depends on (a) tariff (b) severity of the offence (and context within tariff) (c) previous offences (and similarity) (d) guilty plea (e) mitigation (f) sentencing report(s) (g) victim statement (h) aggravating factors and (i) not stated, but side of bed the judge got out of that day.

There’s certain offences that carry mandatory jail terms (there’s actually very few) and then there’s a whole range of discretionary sentencing. He might go to jail and he might not.

The outcome depends on a whole range of factors where you don’t (and I don’t) have the facts. Your statement suggested a level of confidence that I don’t believe you can have, hence I questioned it.

You might be right (and he may well get such a sentence) but you can’t be sure.


Just think he will.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby NorthLondonStag » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:29 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


No.

Are you?


No. I don’t practise criminal law (its not my area) and never have but I have studied it many years ago and I do know that sentencing depends on (a) tariff (b) severity of the offence (and context within tariff) (c) previous offences (and similarity) (d) guilty plea (e) mitigation (f) sentencing report(s) (g) victim statement (h) aggravating factors and (i) not stated, but side of bed the judge got out of that day.

There’s certain offences that carry mandatory jail terms (there’s actually very few) and then there’s a whole range of discretionary sentencing. He might go to jail and he might not.

The outcome depends on a whole range of factors where you don’t (and I don’t) have the facts. Your statement suggested a level of confidence that I don’t believe you can have, hence I questioned it.

You might be right (and he may well get such a sentence) but you can’t be sure.


Just think he will.


You might be right. But it’s not definite!
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby bellwhiff » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:31 pm

NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


I wouldn’t think so with that spelling.
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Re: Mellis in court

Postby arsene wengers coat » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:13 pm

bellwhiff wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:Definate time for this Donohue fella.


Are you a qualified criminal lawyer AWC?


I wouldn’t think so with that spelling.


Sorry Dad. I must spell definitely correctly to be a qualified criminal lawyer or get into the Army. :?
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