MTFCMAD wrote:cornish stag wrote:I recall hearing that we use a fibresand pitch, is that correct?
Yes
A product from local firm, Mansfield Standard Sand
MTFCMAD wrote:cornish stag wrote:I recall hearing that we use a fibresand pitch, is that correct?
Yes
MTFCMAD wrote:Sedgwick wrote:MTFCMAD wrote:Bradders wrote:MTFCMAD wrote:We need a desso pitch.......
Think they cost between £300k-£500k though.
We have some sort of hybrid pitch, although I don't know whether it's "Desso". That's why it has to be watered so much, as Merriman explained during the summer break IIRC.
Tha patches have always been there, and seem to remain a weakness even when the whole pitch is dug up and relaid. It's obviously to do with the West Stand shadow.
We have a sand based fibre pitch I think which is why it needs a lot of water.
Desso is a totally different phenomenon in its own right.
Desso Grassmaster would cost a lot but the lifespan is about 15 years. Phenomenal. I think the lowest ranked team with one is Wycombe.
Thought Newport and Rochdale had them too.
Spiritater wrote:Imo stripping the surface every Summer and relaying it doesn't give time for t'grass to really bed in. Aint had a great deal of time in 8-9 weeks to establish.
yorkshire stag wrote:Have to say, even with the silky skills of Mezz n the team & how much has been spent on it, it’s a right cut up mud bath at the moment
Maldon Stag wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:Have to say, even with the silky skills of Mezz n the team & how much has been spent on it, it’s a right cut up mud bath at the moment
The amount of rain has got nothing to do with it, Mez has made a right hash of the pitch for two seasons running. When the pitch was re seeded he didn't take enough top soil off meaning it had to be done again the following season while adding drainage near the West Stand. I don't rate him as a groundsman, there are better groundsmen out there who, will have that pitch looking like a carpet.
Maldon Stag wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:Have to say, even with the silky skills of Mezz n the team & how much has been spent on it, it’s a right cut up mud bath at the moment
The amount of rain has got nothing to do with it, Mez has made a right hash of the pitch for two seasons running. When the pitch was re seeded he didn't take enough top soil off meaning it had to be done again the following season while adding drainage near the West Stand. I don't rate him as a groundsman, there are better groundsmen out there who, will have that pitch looking like a carpet.
Maldon Stag wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:Have to say, even with the silky skills of Mezz n the team & how much has been spent on it, it’s a right cut up mud bath at the moment
The amount of rain has got nothing to do with it, Mez has made a right hash of the pitch for two seasons running. When the pitch was re seeded he didn't take enough top soil off meaning it had to be done again the following season while adding drainage near the West Stand. I don't rate him as a groundsman, there are better groundsmen out there who, will have that pitch looking like a carpet.
Dan wrote:You want to see Tranmere’s if you think ours is bad! Newport is also starting to look bad & that’s had a lot spent on it.
Maldon can I ask what experience you’ve got as a groundsman? You sound like you know what you’re on about so I’m intrigued. I think Mez & the lads do a really good job so your post has taken me back a bit as I’ve never seen any criticism of Mez before.
bellwhiff wrote:Dan wrote:You want to see Tranmere’s if you think ours is bad! Newport is also starting to look bad & that’s had a lot spent on it.
Maldon can I ask what experience you’ve got as a groundsman? You sound like you know what you’re on about so I’m intrigued. I think Mez & the lads do a really good job so your post has taken me back a bit as I’ve never seen any criticism of Mez before.
Why do you need to have experience as a groundsman to be able to criticise ?
Ever player professional football ?
Ever been an MP?
Dan wrote:You want to see Tranmere’s if you think ours is bad! Newport is also starting to look bad & that’s had a lot spent on it.
Maldon can I ask what experience you’ve got as a groundsman? You sound like you know what you’re on about so I’m intrigued. I think Mez & the lads do a really good job so your post has taken me back a bit as I’ve never seen any criticism of Mez before.
bux46 wrote:Your knowledge on the subject certainly impressed me Maldon ....
Maldon Stag wrote:bux46 wrote:Your knowledge on the subject certainly impressed me Maldon ....
Cheers Bux, I won't criticise someone doing something I know nothing about. It's not just about re-seeding and watching the green stuff grow the hard work is the preparation. Seeds nowadays have been designed to be hardwearing and mixed with fibers to enable football pitches to look pristine even in the darkest months of winter. Damaged parts from studs only need forking and with a good heat lamp set up they'll take root again within 24 hours making that area look like nothing was done to it.
Maldon Stag wrote:Dan wrote:You want to see Tranmere’s if you think ours is bad! Newport is also starting to look bad & that’s had a lot spent on it.
Maldon can I ask what experience you’ve got as a groundsman? You sound like you know what you’re on about so I’m intrigued. I think Mez & the lads do a really good job so your post has taken me back a bit as I’ve never seen any criticism of Mez before.
You certainly can, I spent 3 years working for Talbot Farm Landscapes where, we laid many football pitches for the likes of QPR, Portsmouth and Burton Albion to name a few when we worked for SIS Pitches, we also landscaped some of the Olympic Village in London including part of the London Stadium after the original contractor gave back the contract as it was a step to far.
Preparation is the key when laying or re-laying a sports surface, the soil needs to be worked then worked again, you can't just take the top off and re-seed the underneath hoping all is going to grow well for a few seasons because it wont.
Drainage is the key, making sure you have the soakaway running in the right direction to the lowest point of the pitch. Getting it laser lined is crucial, this will ensure the water will drain away to it's lowest point and not hang about underneath the pitch like it is doing. It's plain to see to someone like myself who has worked in the "Sports Surface Industry" that the re-seeding was done on a small budget, most football clubs use the "Turf Roll System," it costs a little bit more but, it's the only way for a sustainable surface that isn't going to look like it's been ploughed ready to plant potatoes after a few games in wet conditions. The science behind growing grass for professional football use has come on in leaps and bounds in the last 15 years, there's a grass out there now that can grow in sand and without water, I think it's called TIFF 118, it's sprayed on in a mulch helping it bind to the sand enabling it to take root and grow.
I would also urge the club to buy more sun lamps, having a row of three isn't going to work, shell out a little bit more and increase the amount to cover a quarter of the pitch due to the West Stand blocking out even the winter sun, this will encourage the grass to grow even in winter when temperatures are minus 1.
Any groundsman worth his salt will know that you can't scrimp and scrape when it comes to the playing surface because, a few days of rain will have it looking like a paddy field.
The pitch needs a lot of work doing to it over a few seasons, laser 50 points of the pitch, find the lowest point then, work from there.
Hope that clears everything up Dan?
Dan wrote:Maldon Stag wrote:Dan wrote:You want to see Tranmere’s if you think ours is bad! Newport is also starting to look bad & that’s had a lot spent on it.
Maldon can I ask what experience you’ve got as a groundsman? You sound like you know what you’re on about so I’m intrigued. I think Mez & the lads do a really good job so your post has taken me back a bit as I’ve never seen any criticism of Mez before.
You certainly can, I spent 3 years working for Talbot Farm Landscapes where, we laid many football pitches for the likes of QPR, Portsmouth and Burton Albion to name a few when we worked for SIS Pitches, we also landscaped some of the Olympic Village in London including part of the London Stadium after the original contractor gave back the contract as it was a step to far.
Preparation is the key when laying or re-laying a sports surface, the soil needs to be worked then worked again, you can't just take the top off and re-seed the underneath hoping all is going to grow well for a few seasons because it wont.
Drainage is the key, making sure you have the soakaway running in the right direction to the lowest point of the pitch. Getting it laser lined is crucial, this will ensure the water will drain away to it's lowest point and not hang about underneath the pitch like it is doing. It's plain to see to someone like myself who has worked in the "Sports Surface Industry" that the re-seeding was done on a small budget, most football clubs use the "Turf Roll System," it costs a little bit more but, it's the only way for a sustainable surface that isn't going to look like it's been ploughed ready to plant potatoes after a few games in wet conditions. The science behind growing grass for professional football use has come on in leaps and bounds in the last 15 years, there's a grass out there now that can grow in sand and without water, I think it's called TIFF 118, it's sprayed on in a mulch helping it bind to the sand enabling it to take root and grow.
I would also urge the club to buy more sun lamps, having a row of three isn't going to work, shell out a little bit more and increase the amount to cover a quarter of the pitch due to the West Stand blocking out even the winter sun, this will encourage the grass to grow even in winter when temperatures are minus 1.
Any groundsman worth his salt will know that you can't scrimp and scrape when it comes to the playing surface because, a few days of rain will have it looking like a paddy field.
The pitch needs a lot of work doing to it over a few seasons, laser 50 points of the pitch, find the lowest point then, work from there.
Hope that clears everything up Dan?
Fantastic mate thank you. I knew you knew what you were on about which is why I asked. Hopefully your post can help JR see that he needs to give Mez a bit more money for the pitch as I know a lot of the stuff he’s had over the years has been funded by the SSA.
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