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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:07 pm

up north wrote:
Vinnie wrote:
up north wrote:Cheltenham on Saturday hopefully goes our way. They are on a bit of a slide of late. Probably a great time to be playing them. Port Vale beat them 3-0 on Saturday with Pope getting an 8 minute hat trick


Ok Steve.




sorry, I dont follow. Are you being sarcastic? ha ha I presume so. :twisted:


He's suggesting that you are Steve Hymas in disguise
Who are you calling pedantic? I resemble that remark!
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby gazza1988 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:09 pm

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gazza1988 wrote:Benning passed straight to the keeper. Soft pass. I've seen us pass it back to our own keeper from a similar position harder.

Just poor. Port Vale were wasteful and were there for the taking. But 86 minutes to make an attacking sub sums us up.

For me OSJ is now ahead of MacDonald in the pecking order. Too many experienced pros playing like they've only just starting playing football yesterday.

As for not getting the breaks, we get our breaks from our opponents poor finishing. Make no mistake, Port Vale would have won at a canter if Pope was playing tonight.


Is everyone including the owners so clueless...the players are doing what they need to do to get rid of the manager...you can disagree with it as much as you like...it’s happening.


I'm not disagreeing. The only thing I did was say they are playing like they only started out yesterday. I thought it was so obvious it didn't need saying. .
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby The One » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:09 pm

Norman wrote:
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Stoney wrote:That's two competitions we are out of in a week.

If Dempster keeps his job for another fortnight you can wave bye bye to our third chance of being competitive. Radford needs to act now.



I know it’s not your point but he needed to act about a month ago


We needed to act after Cambridge farce


I knew after the Morecambe league game . Massive gamble that hasn’t come off !


Who in all honesty thought it would?
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby up north » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:14 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
up north wrote:
Vinnie wrote:
up north wrote:Cheltenham on Saturday hopefully goes our way. They are on a bit of a slide of late. Probably a great time to be playing them. Port Vale beat them 3-0 on Saturday with Pope getting an 8 minute hat trick


Ok Steve.




sorry, I dont follow. Are you being sarcastic? ha ha I presume so. :twisted:


He's suggesting that you are Steve Hymas in disguise


I had to google who that was. ;-)

Admin can check my ip, Unless he lives in Knaresborough then not guilty.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:17 pm

up north wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
up north wrote:
Vinnie wrote:
up north wrote:Cheltenham on Saturday hopefully goes our way. They are on a bit of a slide of late. Probably a great time to be playing them. Port Vale beat them 3-0 on Saturday with Pope getting an 8 minute hat trick


Ok Steve.




sorry, I dont follow. Are you being sarcastic? ha ha I presume so. :twisted:


He's suggesting that you are Steve Hymas in disguise


I had to google who that was. ;-)

Admin can check my ip, Unless he lives in Knaresborough then not guilty.


He's got a caravan :D
Who are you calling pedantic? I resemble that remark!
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:19 pm

Played 4
Won 1
Drawn 3
Lost 0

In any other circumstances we would be feeling sorry for ourselves.

Funny old game isn't it?
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby up north » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:20 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
He's got a caravan :D


How did you know that :D
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sandy Pate Best Stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:23 pm

up north wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
He's got a caravan :D


How did you know that :D


No I meant Mr Hymas. :D. Hence why you could be him.

But there are a lot of caravans in Knaresborough
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby up north » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:25 pm

Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
up north wrote:
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:
He's got a caravan :D


How did you know that :D


No I meant Mr Hymas. :D. Hence why you could be him.

But there are a lot of caravans in Knaresborough


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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby wink68 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:26 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our big players from last season are letting the fans down massively. They are over paid and under performing.


It can't be the players. They are the best squad in the league and Flitcroft did a disastrous job by not getting promoted with this squad.



Or.......We sacked a very capable manager and gave the job to this joker.

I said it after the first home game because it was already blatantly obvious to see then. No fitness, no discipline and no plan. Absolute garbage

Experienced pros know when they have a manager who is out of his depth and will show it. And boy are they showing it. Rudderless ship.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby up north » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:34 pm

wink68 wrote:
kevin kents tasce wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our big players from last season are letting the fans down massively. They are over paid and under performing.


It can't be the players. They are the best squad in the league and Flitcroft did a disastrous job by not getting promoted with this squad.



Or.......We sacked a very capable manager and gave the job to this joker.

I said it after the first home game because it was already blatantly obvious to see then. No fitness, no discipline and no plan. Absolute garbage

Experied pros know when they have a manager who is out of his depth and will show it. And boy are they showing it. Rudderless ship.


I agree players get managers the sack. It is really hard when a young manager takes on their first role in management. Especially when they are seen as one of the boys. I am not saying JD is like that. Just guessing he might be going by his wiki page (ex teammate). If players are not pulling their weight there is little he can do. Especially if fans are starting to turn. Which makes his job twice as hard. Senior pros should be more professional. But it is not uncommon for some to think they know better.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Spiritater » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 pm

wink68 wrote:
kevin kents tasce wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our big players from last season are letting the fans down massively. They are over paid and under performing.


It can't be the players. They are the best squad in the league and Flitcroft did a disastrous job by not getting promoted with this squad.



Or.......We sacked a very capable manager and gave the job to this joker.

I said it after the first home game because it was already blatantly obvious to see then. No fitness, no discipline and no plan. Absolute garbage

Experied pros know when they have a manager who is out of his depth and will show it. And boy are they showing it. Rudderless ship.


and while they doing that they're shytting on the fans.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Beano » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:39 pm

Spiritater wrote:
wink68 wrote:
kevin kents tasce wrote:
Tippy Tappy Football wrote:Our big players from last season are letting the fans down massively. They are over paid and under performing.


It can't be the players. They are the best squad in the league and Flitcroft did a disastrous job by not getting promoted with this squad.



Or.......We sacked a very capable manager and gave the job to this joker.

I said it after the first home game because it was already blatantly obvious to see then. No fitness, no discipline and no plan. Absolute garbage

Experied pros know when they have a manager who is out of his depth and will show it. And boy are they showing it. Rudderless ship.


and while they doing that they're shytting on the fans.


And the guy paying their wages (a dangerous game)
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sedgwick » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:40 pm

we need change now. Same as when Evans came in.... Few games to asses the squad then bin some in Jan and bring in something new and try to salvage the season.

This season is done. If a new manager gets us to the playoffs, would we even be ready for league one ?!
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby kevin kents tasce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:42 pm

I don't think the players can be blamed.

Pre season was an absolute shambles this year. We have had a ridiculous amount of injuries which goes beyond bad luck and in my opinion is due to poor conditioning. The discipline has been appalling with players being arrested and a high volume of suspensions. The tactics are that poor that our big name striker often looks completely dejected.

All of these are clear indications of poor leadership and management. The manager is responsible for motivating the players and upholding performance standards. He is failing miserably on and off the pitch
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Chris M » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:50 pm

S7AGS wrote:
NorthLondonStag wrote:I’m not sure Bennings penalty would have made it past the goal line even if the keeper hadn’t stopped it.
But never mind it was going wide anyway.
GARBAGE


Did he do it on purpose to oil the gears of getting dempster gone!?


Starting to look that way. Would not be the first time player power would see the back of a manager.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Sutton5Stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:51 pm

This is so depressing, don't even know if I want us to win or lose anymore.
The life is being sucked out of the club by these lack lustre performances.
After two really good seasons the appointment of Dempster has completely changed everything.

No desire, no excitement and as a result no atmosphere.
This time last year I would have been Port Vale cheering on the team, crap competition or not.
Tonight like many others I couldn't be bothered.

Please make it stop JR we all want to have something to shout about!
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Spiritater » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:02 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:I don't think the players can be blamed.

Pre season was an absolute shambles this year. We have had a ridiculous amount of injuries which goes beyond bad luck and in my opinion is due to poor conditioning. The discipline has been appalling with players being arrested and a high volume of suspensions. The tactics are that poor that our big name striker often looks completely dejected.

All of these are clear indications of poor leadership and management. The manager is responsible for motivating the players and upholding performance standards. He is failing miserably on and off the pitch

utter rubbish man. they can at least give 100%, some aren't
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby yorkshire stag » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm

total frustration from every corner WTH is happening, put this poor bloke out his misery tonight
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby The One » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:07 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:I don't think the players can be blamed.

Pre season was an absolute shambles this year. We have had a ridiculous amount of injuries which goes beyond bad luck and in my opinion is due to poor conditioning. The discipline has been appalling with players being arrested and a high volume of suspensions. The tactics are that poor that our big name striker often looks completely dejected.

All of these are clear indications of poor leadership and management. The manager is responsible for motivating the players and upholding performance standards. He is failing miserably on and off the pitch



Pre season was just so CR could show the roller off picking up Maynard in that cringe video.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby kevin kents tasce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:08 pm

You need to.go and educate yourself on basic principles of motivation and human psychology Spiro if you think people can give 100% at all times.

You might also want to consider that they have been trying to play 100% to the managers tactics and are fed up of not then not being fit for purpose.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby kevin kents tasce » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:12 pm

Last pre-season we went to Portugal, trained hard and came back to play 4 championship teams off the park with our brand of high energy, free flowing and exciting football.

This year we went to Portugal and came back to look pedestrian against some under 23 teams.

The writing was on the wall from then.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby The One » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:13 pm

kevin kents tasce wrote:Last pre-season we went to Portugal, trained hard and came back to play 4 championship teams off the park with our brand of high energy, free flowing and exciting football.

This year we went to Portugal and came back to look pedestrian against some under 23 teams.

The writing was on the wall from then.


100 % correct. Something, I do not know what has been wrong from day one.
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby MTFCMusings » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:14 pm



Honestly, what is going on?

The lack of bite in this interview. Do they even care?
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Re: Vale score Fred sponsored by last chance of glory

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:15 pm

The defending for the first goal is shocking. There are 5 or 6 players just strolling around. No urgency. No recognition of the fact that if Alistair Smith is under pressure and so if loses the ball then the Stags are in trouble.

I also think that Bobby should have saved Jake Taylor's shot for the second goal. He was beaten on his near post which he seemed to have well covered. Conrad would have been hammered on here. His distribution tonight was also not as good as Conrad.
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